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How Can JJ be this Bad at Coaching?
Posted on 1/19/17 at 9:07 am
Posted on 1/19/17 at 9:07 am
How can someone who spent most of his adult life in one sport not be better at the fundamental elements that are required to be successful? I just don't get it.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 9:10 am
Posted on 1/19/17 at 9:21 am to TigerFanNKaty
Yeah, you would think a former point guard would have some concept of the game; when to pressure on defense, when to push tempo, when to calm down and run set plays for your main low post players etc. At the very least, noticing when the team is rattled and needs a timeout.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 9:34 am to TigerFanNKaty
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How Can JJ be this Bad at Coaching?
JJ Applauds LSU's Lethargic Energy in First Half
I always go back to this for proof
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:55 am to TigerFanNKaty
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How can someone who spent most of his adult life in one sport not be better at the fundamental elements that are required to be successful? I just don't get it.
Because good players don't necessarily make good coaches....and he played for Dale Brown who from an X's and O's standpoint was just as bad as JJ... that's all he knows.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:04 am to TigerFanNKaty
Think about this....three years ago he had O'Bryant, Martin and Mickey in his front court. No way we should not have been at least an Elite 8 team just with those guys....Brady would have done it. Two years ago with Martin and Mickey alone he should have put NC State away and gone on a hell raising tour of the NCAA tourney after that. Last year he had Simmons, Blakeney, Hornsby and Quarteman...should have at least made the Sweet 16 by just giving these guys the ball and telling them to just go play and he could sit down and look good in his suit.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:59 am to KiwiHead
Well, his mentor had Shaq, Stanley Roberts, and Chris Jackson and didn't make it to the sweet 16. Furthermore, Brown had Shaq for THREE YEARS and never made it past the 2nd round of the NCAA's. The big glaring difference between JJ and Dale Brown...Brown was a master motivator and master communicator, which compensated significantly for his lack of coaching. JJ is NEITHER of the aforementioned two traits.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:06 pm to TheBaker
Brown's teams could play defense at least, there is nothing remotely resembling a game plan shown during the few minutes I have been able to watch this. That team you mentioned also had Vernel Singleton. Other than Brown's first final 4 team that was no doubt the most talented men's BB team in LSU history.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:09 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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How Can JJ be this Bad at Coaching?
The Dale Brown coaching tree.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:13 pm to TigerFanNKaty
And for the x's and o's vs player level folks, it doesn't really matter. You need to be good a both.
Corporate America looks at failed employees as either a hiring problem or training problem. When you're ultimately in charge of both, you're cooked.
Corporate America looks at failed employees as either a hiring problem or training problem. When you're ultimately in charge of both, you're cooked.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:15 pm to TigerFanNKaty
I'm convinced that this team would be far better with no coach.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 12:39 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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How Can JJ be this Bad at Coaching? by TigerFanNKatyHow can someone who spent most of his adult life in one sport not be better at the fundamental elements that are required to be successful? I just don't get it.
I don't think it's the nuts an bolts of coaching that's the problem. Sure he left the Aussie kid in there in crunch time yesterday, that was poor coaching in that sense.
But I've seen CJJ do a chalk talk on defending the ball screen. He touched on all the points all coaches do. There are only so many ways to coach it and most coach it basically the same way. Johnny was no exception.
However, what you see on the court is way too often not what I saw in that chalk talk. Sometimes it was effort on the kids part or whatever but it just wasn't getting from the practice court to the games nearly consistently enough.
And therein IMHO lies the rub. Accountability, motivation, whatever you want to call it....I think that's CJJ's downfall.
And the fact that we are patting the kids on the back for finally displaying consistent effort and not quitting is as telling of that and IMHO as sad as anything.
You are SUPPOSED to play hard and not quit...ALL THE TIME...not just every now and then. You don't get a cookie for every now and then doing what you should always do.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 1:05 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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How can someone who spent most of his adult life in one sport not be better at the fundamental elements that are required to be successful? I just don't get it.
Not all students can become the teacher. But, maybe, this former student can become the new coach:
Posted on 1/19/17 at 1:20 pm to TheBaker
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The big glaring difference between JJ and Dale Brown...Brown was a master motivator and master communicator, which compensated significantly for his lack of coaching. JJ is NEITHER of the aforementioned two traits.
this is 100% correct. Dale could cover his x-and-o coaching deficiencies with motivation and demanding intensity from his players, especially on defense. Johnny doesn't do that.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 1:42 pm to TigerFanNKaty
That is the main argument for keeping him : It is not really possible for anyone to be this bad.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 1:59 pm to atltiger6487
Dale also had Ron Abernathy as an assistant and a pretty good Xs&Os guy.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 2:39 pm to DArbonneDuke
Johnny Jones could GAF less about anyone on his staff. He relies on them for jack squat during a game. Doesn't take input, doesn't talk with them. Nothing.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 2:45 pm to TigerFanNKaty
Has to do with a bunch of different things. Maybe he's never grown since he was a player and won't adapt. Maybe his expectations are too low. Maybe there's no standard. Maybe he can't teach the game as well as he learned it. Maybe he wasn't taught properly. Maybe it was outdated. Who knows. There's a reason there are coaches that played the game at the higher levels and there are reasons you can have a coach that was a bench player on his high school team.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:38 pm to setinways12
quote:False flag... JJ wasn't a good player, he was a role player at point. Good players can run into trouble as coaches when they expect or demand their players live up to their own level of play. JJ has guys better than he was, so he should be able to draw on his own experiences as to what worked for him, and then tap into the added dimensions his players have.
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How can someone who spent most of his adult life in one sport not be better at the fundamental elements that are required to be successful? I just don't get it.
Because good players don't necessarily make good coaches
Example: Josh Gray. He was as quick as JJ was, and had better driving skills, and probably a better jumper (not that it was great). At the very least, he could have guided Gray as a mentor for the quick guard role, so he wouldn't have been so lost out there on the court. Then, he should have been able to incorporate the driving ability, and teach him to pass in the interior, to the various big men we've had. Gray could have been a very good player in the right system, a system that has potential NBA forwards that could profit from a guard getting into the lane at will... and that was what we had. We never saw that.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 11:55 pm to GFunk
It makes you wonder why JJ went to the trouble of having assistant coaches, since he never seems toseek the input, and he could definitely use it.
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