re: Playing around with the trade machine

I'd be all for it, but I feel like this trade heavily benefits the Pels and Minnesota/Atlanta are getting the shaft.

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more or a combo guard

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what role would you see lavine in that would be transformative?

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he is...definitely not a PG. he's similar to Hield- he doesn't do much else besides score, but that is a pretty important skill. still a few months out from turning 22 and he's a 20ppg scorer on 47/38/85 splits. maybe he's best as a 6th man, but i start him over Hield until proven otherwise.

i dont think he's a superstar, but he fills a scoring need in a big way. the hope would be to build around Davis, LaVine, 2017 1st. think that move helps the rest of the roster start to make more sense

eta- this isn't a slam on Hield. happy he's been better lately. just think LaVine has a higher ceiling and getting that for an expiring Holiday is a move I'm okay with

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Pels get: Aldrich, Splitter and Lucas III

Minny get: Asik & Mike Scott

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I just don't see any way that Minnesota takes Asik without giving back Pekovic. It'd have to be something where they get Holiday/Asik and only send back Rubio and filler.


Gyno:

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If my 21 and 26 y/o backcourt tandem on nice contracts only netted my team Omer Asik and Holiday, Id jump off a bridge

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Yeah, I don't think you get Rubio as a throw in, but I can still see them having interest in Holiday for Lavine, even as an expiring. Asik for Pek should be seen as positive value for Minnesota and negative value for the Pels, so Holiday/Asik for Lavine/Pek seems reasonable. If you need to throw in Cunningham too, I wouldn't fight it.

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Its funny because Wolves offered Lavine for Jrue last year

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for sake of my sanity, I'm going to continue to say its not true until I hear it from a front office.

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i do think moving on from Holiday, barring him offering a steep discount, makes some sense at this point.

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I think the new CBA changes things quite a bit. Before AD didn't have to choose between money and winning so you needed an air tight, beyond a reasonable doubt case that he could win with you. That extra money makes the team's burden of proof more like a civil case IMO, he just needs to be pretty sure things will work out eventually. To me that means more focus on raising the ceiling of the team by 2019 rather than having the best possible on court product by 2019. You still need to be an up and coming playoff team by then, there's no time for a full rebuild, but turning Holiday into someone like Lavine and getting a top 5 pick this year probably pays off more than keeping Holiday and trying to fill the SF spot by betting on long shots because that's all you can afford.

I'm officially ready to trade Holiday and tank.

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I'm officially ready to trade Holiday and tank.

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Samesies.

I'm ready to trade everyone and everything not named Davis and to a lesser extent Hield and Diallo (both could be available in an amazing value deal, but the value would have to be drastically in our favor).

Clean slate for the next GM. Young players on rookie contracts, expirings and picks.

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Dell offered Cole something near 6-8 mill a year for 4 years after the playoff season and Cole thought he was worth more.

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If he sits on evans and holiday after sitting on the two last year all you can do is laugh

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Will be utterly ridiculous.

My theory last year was that he was likely to be fired so they told him not to make any major moves. Well that was wrong.

If he sits again, this team gets nothing, and Dell STILL isn't fired, I will absolutely give up.

Ive been right so much I'm getting tired of it. I was screaming trade Jrue all off season.