re: *******Update 6:30***Tidbits on LSU OC search

It is certainly up for debate. Just because you have something decided doesn't make it so.

This is a crucial, career altering hire for Orgeron. He will likely succeed or fail based on this hire.

He will not succeed or fail because a few recruits tweeted some shite in December.

Many schools have coaching flux this time of year. Things will stabilize and all will be well with recruiting.

This hire should not be rushed.

There is no evidence that Orgeron promised Kiffin to LSU.

That is as fake news as Russian hacking.

Did he list him as a top candidate and the type of guy he would pursue? Yes.

You can't be taken seriously with your faux outrage based on false talking points.

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if Sark is not named Bama's OC , O will attempt bring him on staff as position coach. LSU pays its position coach much more than FAU's OC.

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Can't we go to 9 assistants next season? Maybe we create an offensive position for Sark?

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There is no evidence that Orgeron promised Kiffin to LSU.

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Did you read this thread? First, the OP said that Kiffin was the top choice for OC. Second, he wrote:

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Kiffin told O he was coming. O was operating on the word of his friend. (Not like many would trust Kiffin) O offered Tua because at that time Kiffin was coming. I don't see anything wrong with offering the top QB in the country.

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So, if the OP is to be trusted, there is ample circumstantial evidence that O promised Kiffin to Alleva, or at the very least told Alleva that there was a significant probability Kiffin would come. It strains credulity and logic to suggest that Kiffin TOLD O he was coming, but that O NEVER passed this information along to Alleva during the hiring process or after.

Try to employ some semblance of reason before making inane analogies to Russian hacking.

Whether O promised Kiffin to Alleva or merely suggested there was a high probability of hiring him, only a buffoon would rely on such illusory nonsense when hiring a HC. A lunatic hiring practice.

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How do you know Orgeron was hired based on who he could get as an assistant?

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Um, because it was widely reported that this was the case. Alleva even specifically commented on it. Here is an excerpt from the Advocate story on Os hiring:

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Equipped with two thick binders detailing his long-term plans, Orgeron met with Alleva and committee members Friday morning to outline coaching staff adjustments, including the hiring of a proven and successful offensive coordinator. The Advocate has learned that Orgeron will first go after Alabama's Lane Kiffin, a friend and former co-worker of Orgeron's.

“I’m telling you, the names we’re talking about are phenomenal,” Alleva said, without mentioning Kiffin. “You put that combination together. I think (Orgeron is) the best situation for us at LSU, and there’s no doubt in my mind. He’s going to hit the ground running.”

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Like I said, dumb as rocks, but that's what happened.

"It is certainly up for debate. Just because you have something decided doesn't make it so."

The messaging coming out of recruiting, at least on offense, is not up for debate right now. Even if you give O a pass on Moses and Allen like I do, he set the struggles we are having with 2 solid QB commits in motion on the no-good word of a jackass, if our neighborhood source is correct.


"This is a crucial, career altering hire for Orgeron. He will likely succeed or fail based on this hire."

Yes, but a coach like O will also succeed or fail based on recruiting. An unproven new head coach who doesn't have a track record of actually running a program for a decade can't afford to wait until bowl season for anyone. Recruits aren't going to just take him at his word on hires until he has a few successful season under his belt, which I wholeheartedly hope he achieves.


"He will not succeed or fail because a few recruits tweeted some shite in December. "

If he loses out on one of the best DT QBs we've ever had committed to a fricking division rival, then yes he can. Losing Narcisse to Auburn could be devastating, especially considering where O says he wants the offense to go.


"Many schools have coaching flux this time of year. Things will stabilize and all will be well with recruiting."

I hope you are right, but it's already too late to stabilize things completely with the EEs. We could miss out on two very important players because of that.


"This hire should not be rushed."

Over two weeks isn't rushing. Kiffin wasn't worth waiting this long for, considering that he was willing to take such a lousy job over his buddy's offer. And before you go off again, ALL circumstantial evidence and many sources point to him being the favorite, so don't even go down that road.

So in your opinion Alleva hired Orgeron because he promised to deliver Kiffin?

That has no factual basis.

And I don't know the OP and don't believe most of the crap I read on here.

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So in your opinion Alleva hired Orgeron because he promised to deliver Kiffin?

That has no factual basis.

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In part, yes. As for a factual basis, see Alleva's quote above in the Advocate article, where he specifically talks about how he was impressed by Os list of assistant candidates.

And setting aside the specific Kiffin issue, even if it was some other candidate or list of candidates, it's still incompetent to hire a HC based on assistants he may or may not get. Just crazy. Hire an accomplished HC instead, one who doesn't have to be surrounded by superstar ACs just to function.

If he makes a bad OC hire, he'll be gone before the recruits from this class ever make an impact.

Recruiting is important and I've followed it for a long time, longer than most, but to live and die over every comment and commitment is a recipe for misery.

Two weeks is nothing. Not even a blip. LSU will hire an OC soon. LSU will get its QBs back, or some equal or better, and it will be fine.

Remember, you often lose recruits when coaches leave, but you can gain when new coaches come. LSU will be hiring several assistants that will have their own recruits lined up.

Chill, bro.

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There is no evidence that Orgeron promised Kiffin to LSU.

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theres actually a mountain of evidence that orgeron promised not only kiffin but dylan and a top 3 class. lets just say it, at this point it sure as hell looks like he got the job based on shite he made up. he lied, in other words. and he got others to do the same on his behalf in the media and on boards like this.

DmitriKaramazov is right, thats troubling as hell. it doesnt mean O will be bad, hes still a very good recruiter and if he gets the guys for CAranda to run on O and D, we should be good to great, but his first 20 days have been an outright disaster.