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re: Congress opposes Trump on trade tariff.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:11 pm to theenemy
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:11 pm to theenemy
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When did more gov't involvement, regulation, and taxes become conservative cornerstones.
Taxing and regulating American businesses is one thing. What Trump is proposing is taxing businesses that do not operate in America, but only wish to line their pockets off the American consumer.
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:14 pm to AUstar
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What Trump is proposing is taxing businesses that do not operate in America, but only wish to line their pockets off the American consumer.
So we punish the consumer by forcing them to pay more for the goods?
Foreign govt's don't pay the tariff's...American consumers will end up paying it.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:14 pm to Ping Pong
Tariff on American companies that leave the US is different than one across the board.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:14 pm to AUstar
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What Trump is proposing is taxing businesses that do not operate in America, but only wish to line their pockets off the American consumer.
Americans voluntarily choose to buy those foreign products for a reason. Taxing those businesses only hurt the American consumer.
IF you want to keep jobs in America, then you do it buy lowering the minimum wage, lowering taxes, and reducing regulation. Not by taxing and regulating companies that find a cheaper way to offer their consumers products.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:15 pm to Rakim
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Tariff on American companies that leave the US is different than one across the board.
True, but neither one will help the US economy in the long run
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:15 pm to Ping Pong
I think you mean lower wages not lowering the min wage
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:17 pm to Radiojones
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Anyone that opposses Trump will lose.
Certainly seems the case so far. All he does is win, no matter what. America on his mind, he can never get enough.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:18 pm to Ping Pong
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True, but neither one will help the US economy in the long run
Unless deregulation and tax incentives are part of the policy.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:20 pm to Rakim
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I think you mean lower wages not lowering the min wage
No, I mean getting rid of the minimum wage entirely. Its nothing more than a human capital discrimination law that hurts the very people it intends to help.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:21 pm to Rakim
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Unless deregulation and tax incentives are part of the policy.
Deregulation and lower taxes alone would be enough to keep most companies here and allow more to grow. There is no need for more government coercion.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:22 pm to Rakim
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Unless deregulation and tax incentives are part of the policy.
De-regulation and industry wide tax incentives -- I'm all for, but tariff's worry me.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:26 pm to Ping Pong
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Americans voluntarily choose to buy those foreign products for a reason. Taxing those businesses only hurt the American consumer.
yep.
+ inflation will skyrocket
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:28 pm to Rakim
Just like the liberals can't tax us into Prosperity with higher income and corporate taxes....Trumpkins cannot Tariff our economy into Prosperity with tariff on foreign goods.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:43 pm to CelticDog
Trade war with Mexico? Lol China I understand but Mexico doesn't mean shite to us
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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You are unhinged, Ottothewise
I think he's adding AT LEAST 100 pts to that 188.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:46 pm to theenemy
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When did more gov't involvement, regulation, and taxes become conservative cornerstones.
As a conservative, tariff's worry me because often times those taxes and tariff's are only passed down to us consumers.
There's a popular myth that any form of "protectionism" is anti-conservative or not in line with the Republican/conservative history of governance in this country. That is false. It is only relatively recently that the notion of unfettered global free trade has come to be viewed as dogma.
And advocating targeted tariffs against countries that do not offer mutually beneficial trade balances has nothing to do with increasing domestic regulations and taxes. In reality, effective protectionism would couple targeted tariffs with a reduction in regulations and tax rates which would make it more beneficial for American business and workers.
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:50 pm to ChewyDante
quote:Well I thought it was because we saw the benefits of free trade and the drawbacks of government meddling in it. I was under the impression (may have been wrong) that we used the economic evidence to support our policies and left the baseless and emotional economic arguments to the left.
It is only relatively recently that the notion of unfettered global free trade has come to be viewed as dogma.
Besides "recently" probably corresponds to the technological changes that have made it more practical, to go along with the evidence of the effects.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 7:57 pm to ChewyDante
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There's a popular myth that any form of "protectionism" is anti-conservative or not in line with the Republican/conservative history of governance in this country. That is false. It is only relatively recently that the notion of unfettered global free trade has come to be viewed as dogma.
The problem is we over-tax, and over regulate industries to the point where we are no longer competitive and when we fall behind we claim it is unfair.
More gov't regulation is not the "conservative" solution no matter how many Wikipedia pages you read.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 8:03 pm to theenemy
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But tariff's will increase the median price of goods.
Which is fine if we lower taxes, increase quality lower middle class jobs, and decrease social welfare. Crime should also drop a bit.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 8:05 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
quote:All that we can do without tarrifs. I don't know why we don't start with less government meddling before we even entertain a discussion about more of it.
Which is fine if we lower taxes, increase quality lower middle class jobs, and decrease social welfare.
quote:I'm not sure what you're basing this on though.
Crime should also drop a bit.
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 8:05 pm
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