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re: You ever feel like there's just a giant dumpster fire incoming?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:44 pm to ellessuuuu
Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:44 pm to ellessuuuu
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Yes you can. While at Houston, his team beat OU - top 10 team and FSU a top 15 team. How many of those wins has O had with the talent he had at USC and LSU?
He has a better resume with less talent.
Those were good wins no doubt. How do you explain the losses to UCONN, Navy, SMU and Memphis? Teams who had less talent than his team?
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How many of those wins has O had with the talent he had at USC and LSU?
He has a better resume with less talent.
CEO has the same number of losses at USC and LSU as Herman had at Houston. One of CEO's losses was to the #1 team in the country. Of the other losses CEO had at USC and LSU which teams compare to the UCONN, SMU, Navy, and Memphis teams that Herman lost to in the AAC?
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:45 pm to natethegreat
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Am I being negative or just realistic? What expectations should I have for the 2017 season?
Realistic. Our athletic director is a complete joke and has run our programs poorly.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:45 pm to molsusports
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If you are a real football program you don't hire a coach who will be hugely dependent upon great coordinators to succeed. A coach who has a cumulative losing record.
Yep. It's not a complicated concept to grasp. And it's not asking too much that we'd set our sights a tad higher
Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:48 pm to molsusports
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This year's record of 9-3 isn't as good as his first year but better than any of the individual three years prior to his arrival.
Oh, okay I didn't know you had to add up all of a coach's wins from all of his seasons as HC to determine his upward or downward trend. How many total wins did Les Miles have again?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:50 pm to ellessuuuu
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Well 22-4 is good, but it's no 22-29.
But it was good enough to finish 6th in the American Conference this year. What an accomplishment for a genius offensive guru !!!
Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:51 pm to natethegreat
What do you mean "once again"? Like it did 25 fricking years ago?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:51 pm to Tiger Ree
Are you serious? That stat explicitly negates your bullshite argument that Herman didn't make Houston better
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:59 pm to natethegreat
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Why do I have this feeling in the back of my mind that things are about to turn south really quick once again?
Because, you really don't have any tangible evidence at this time to be optimistic about the situation. Who can blame you? What about the AD at LSU and the general powers that be would instill any confidence in their decision making capability at this point in time?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:03 pm to molsusports
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Fans are mad because our favorite school is being run in an incompetent manner.
This statement is based on bullshite you are thinking will happen in the future. What if O is very successful next season? Is the the school still being run in an incompetent manner? NO, but you will still be a pessimist and expect the worst.
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The athletic director conducted no proper search
And you know this because everything LSU did was released to the public as soon as if not before it happened?
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and the result was a hire that would have any serious fanbase a mixture of enraged and discouraged.
For the people that wanted to hire a guy who finished 4-3 and sixth place in the AAC. Other fans will probably take a wait and see approach knowing that if O hires a good OC the sky is the limit for LSU.
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seems clear Alleva didn't even bother to read up on Orgeron's history from his positive reaction to the binder (clearly never read Meat Market).
Alleva was probably around the team every day. I'm sure he could walk down and check out practices and notice the difference in the team from when Les was leading them. CEO probably didn't even need a binder when Alleva looked over Herman's second season results again.
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If you are a real football program you don't hire a coach who will be hugely dependent upon great coordinators to succeed.
LSU did. Don't most successful programs do just that. Last I heard of a "REAL" football program who had BAD coordinators it was because they didn't win and had to fire them. It's not like CEO is an offensive genius and gained 303 total yards against SMU and finished sixth in his conference. Could be worse.
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A coach whose recent "good stints" as interim resulted in losing records to ranked opponents. A coach who just has never demonstrated the ability to build or sustain a great college football program.
Losing to ranked opponents is somehow worse than losing to unranked teams that you are favored to beat by large margins?
Sustain or build programs - Are you talking about Tom Herman?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:04 pm to Tiger Ree
If you think Alleva is competent, you are literally too stupid to insult.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:07 pm to lsu2006
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That stat explicitly negates your bullshite argument that Herman didn't make Houston better
I was talking about making it better over time there. He played four ranked teams his first year and lost one game. He played two ranked teams his second year and lost three games. How is that making a team better?
Coach O made LSU better just on offensive output and scoring margin.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:08 pm to Tiger Ree
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Losing to ranked opponents is somehow worse than losing to unranked teams that you are favored to beat by large margins?
It's worse than beating ranked opponents, which Herman has done 3 times in 2 years and O did 1 time in 3 years at Ole Miss and 14 games at USC/LSU
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:08 pm to molsusports
How are you gonna compare a coach that's been in a WEAK arse division for 2 YEARS(AAC) to a coach that's coached at USC(Pac-12), Ole Miss and LSU(SEC)? Please explain better cause what you said is completely stupid
Don't worry I'll wait....
Don't worry I'll wait....
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:09 pm to Tiger Ree
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Coach O made LSU better just on offensive output and scoring margin.
Not that hard to do, and FWIW, Ensminger was our offensive coordinator
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:13 pm to ellessuuuu
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If you think Alleva is competent, you are literally too stupid to insult.
Can't comprehend very well can you?
What I said is if Coach O has a very good season next year, Alleva will not be regarded as the failure he is regarded as now. Coach O's hire will be mentioned along with the great hires Alleva has made, right up there with Beth Torina.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:16 pm to Tiger Ree
Regardless of the outcome, he hired O after an embarrassing search following the disaster that was last November, of course, all of this in addition to his two men's basketball hires and women's basketball hire.
He is clearly incompetent and not capable of handling a coaching search.
He is clearly incompetent and not capable of handling a coaching search.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:16 pm to lsu2006
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Losing to ranked opponents is somehow worse than losing to unranked teams that you are favored to beat by large margins?
It's worse than beating ranked opponents
What the frick is this shite supposed to be?
Herman losing to UCONN, Navy, SMU and Memphis is hard to explain away, isn't it?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:18 pm to lsu2006
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and FWIW, Ensminger was our offensive coordinator
Well shite, I thought it was coach O's fault for the Alabama and UF games. Which is it?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:21 pm to natethegreat
Had the feeling the moment I got the notification after 7am. I am trying on the surface to reserve judgement. If LSU loses 4-5 next year, and follow it up with more of the same, I would be wanting to toss this bad decision. Lsu is stuck 3 years regardless.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:29 pm to ellessuuuu
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after an embarrassing search
That's funny, I don't feel embarrassed. Are you embarrassed by stuff that other people do that you have absolutely nothing to do with?
I did feel tardy the other day but it turns out I forgot to set the clock in my truck back to adjust for the time change. I am over it now though, I actually felt better as soon as I realized what happened. You may recover in a couple/few years also.
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He is clearly incompetent and not capable of handling a coaching search.
Unless CEO is a success. Then all your bullshite is worthless.
I really wanted LSU to get the AD that had hired a NC winning football coach, NC winning men's basketball coach, NC winning women't basketball coach, NC winning baseball coach, NC winning softball coach, NC winning T&F coach, NC winning swimming coach and NC winning golf coach.
I can't remember their name right now but there are SO MANY AD's out there that hire multiple successful national championship coaches these days it's hard to keep up with all of them.
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