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re: You ever feel like there's just a giant dumpster fire incoming?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if we're just ignoring records as HC, who has more potential to be an elite HC: Herman or Orgeron?
I don't know. I would have to see more from both to decide what I thought. Herman trended down in his second year running a program and I think would have been much worse next season if he had stayed at Houston.
CEO did good as the LSU HC. I think REALLY well considering he was using a TE's coach as offensive coordinator. He could not fix everything he inherited in a matter of weeks. He could go either way but looking at his last two opportunities I would say he has definitely trended UP as opposed to Herman's trending DOWN.
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:15 pm to Tiger Ree
what do you consider O's ceiling at LSU?
how many SEC titles do you expect in the next 3 years?
how many national titles do you expect in the next 3 years?
how many SEC titles do you expect in the next 3 years?
how many national titles do you expect in the next 3 years?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:19 pm to natethegreat
puzzie
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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people don't want LSU to fail. they just expect LSU to fail b/c we hired a shitty HC
Exactly.
And we're pissed off because there were more than two other possibilities. Orgeron simply isn't qualified. The fact that Alleva has now fricked up Duke, LSU basketball, and now LSU football is the focus of most of my ire.
Orgeron has no history of success to justify being given this job. It would be better to take a chance on a riskier hire with real upside than hire a guy who has been truly terrible in the past. Even his advocates seem to freely admit he will be nearly entirely dependent upon the quality of his coordinators. That is a terrible starting point and LSU fans should be angry enough to demand change starting at the position of athletic director.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:22 pm to natethegreat
Believe it is going to be real bad. My cousin who is a huge Ole Miss fan but honestly does pull for us against all teams except when we play the Rebels absolutely cannot believe that we hired Orgeron as head coach.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what do you consider O's ceiling at LSU? how many SEC titles do you expect in the next 3 years? how many national titles do you expect in the next 3 years?
None. And if Herman had the job, also none. EXPECTING titles in the SEC West right now is the height of foolishness, whether it's with O or a guy with 2 years under his belt at Houston.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:22 pm to ellessuuuu
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makes me a coward?
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call me a pussy
I didn't even reply to you and was talking in general terms. But, HEY if the shoe fits and you own up to it.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:30 pm to Tiger Ree
Yeah. You're a pussy.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:30 pm to ellessuuuu
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Dumbass, you are proving my point. With Kiffin and O, USC was preseason # 1 and Kiffin was canned half way through the season.
Yes because the previous season he was the first coach to be preseason #1 and end up unranked since the 1960's. It wasn't half way through the season it was after four games.
Kiffin went 4-7 in his last 11 games before being fired. Who took over the same program that had gone 4-7 and went 6-2 including a win against #4 ranked Stanford?
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Again, I've never said the decision had to be limited to O and Herman, that was a massive mistake by Alleva.
In your opinion. The truth of the matter remains to be seen. Making shite up before it happens in reality is what causes dire pessimism.
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Who had more talent this year LSU or Houston. How many top 15 wins did O have at LSU this year? Not as many as Herman, with far less talent.
Are you really so desperate you are comparing CEO losing to Alabama and Florida to Herman's losses to Navy, SMU and Memphis? That's hysterical. Who had more talent Houston or SMU?
Since he lost 38-16, gained 303 total yards of offense and was a 23 point favorite the average person would think SMU has much more talent than Houston. In reality, that is far from the truth.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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most of us understand that all we have left is the lulz
No, you're chicken shite pessimistic girls that just want to cry and hope for the worst.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:36 pm to Tiger Ree
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Are you really so desperate you are comparing CEO losing to Alabama and Florida to Herman's losses to Navy, SMU and Memphis? That's hysterical. Who had more talent Houston or SMU?
Did you actually read what you quoted? He's talking about good wins.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:38 pm to ellessuuuu
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When O goes 6-6 / 7-5
Can you give me a game-by-game on this fact? I'm not totally against laying a little money down on a sure thing.
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you will hear a ton of excuses from these same people, we lost a lot of talent (which is funny because they are acting like going 5-2 was some miracle this year), we didn't have a QB, we had a new offensive system, etc.
Who is making excuses? Sounds like you are. You are even making up shite to back up your stupid shtick.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:39 pm to Tiger Ree
OK, let's do a Orgeron to Herman comparison.
What are Orgeron's outstanding upset wins? Stanford and then nothing. And then a lot of upset losses to the likes of Wyoming, Vanderbilt, and MSU. If you consider Orgeron's interim jobs he's played five good teams in Notre Dame, UCLA, Stanford, Alabama and Florida. He won one of those. A winning percentage of .200 against real competition just doesn't cut muster.
There is no big secret here. Herman is highly regarded by most of college football because he's improved his teams. Orgeron would have been hired by no one else, because his head coaching record is abysmal. Even Syracuse level programs have no interest.
What are Orgeron's outstanding upset wins? Stanford and then nothing. And then a lot of upset losses to the likes of Wyoming, Vanderbilt, and MSU. If you consider Orgeron's interim jobs he's played five good teams in Notre Dame, UCLA, Stanford, Alabama and Florida. He won one of those. A winning percentage of .200 against real competition just doesn't cut muster.
There is no big secret here. Herman is highly regarded by most of college football because he's improved his teams. Orgeron would have been hired by no one else, because his head coaching record is abysmal. Even Syracuse level programs have no interest.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:41 pm to natethegreat
I keep telling myself that with TAF controlling the purse strings, an AD cannot sink us into the mire for a decade or more.
But I really wonder. Once the culture is turned to "go cheap," it's hard to change. It could be the 90s all over again.
I hope not.
But I really wonder. Once the culture is turned to "go cheap," it's hard to change. It could be the 90s all over again.
I hope not.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:45 pm to lsu2006
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How can you make this assertion with a straight face while also propping up O for winning against a bunch of shitty teams at LSU with neither his own players or his own staff?
Both coaches had the previous coaching staff's program. Coach O won starting the fifth week of the season while taking over. Herman had coached many games and was well on the road to establishing his system before losing to UCONN his first year. Yeah, that UCONN, I didn't know they had a football team either.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:46 pm to TDcline
Why is being right more important than LSU being successful? No, it would not be worth seeing them explain the hire. That is like sinking on the titanic and laughing at others for trying to survive. I'm constantly wondering why half of you even bother with LSU.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's not what i want. it's what i expect
You expect it because it is what you want.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it gets worse when comparing his mental abilities to a near-genius like Herman
Why don't you break it down for us. How are his mental abilities in comparison to Herman. If Herman is so smart and it matters one fricking iota, why did the genius lose to SMU, Memphis and Navy? That doesn't seem very smart to me.
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the fact that O shows up with "old media" AND this was prepared by his Minister of Information makes it that much more absurd
Damn, you are really upset aren't you? Well for your sake and mental well being I hope LSU and Coach O suck and fall into a deep cavity of worthlessness and desparity as long as it will make you feel better.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:59 pm to natethegreat
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Seriously.
Why do I have this feeling in the back of my mind that things are about to turn south really quick once again?
Believe me the longer it takes where we have not heard that Aranda has signed his contract extension "and it should not take a week to review and sign a contract that all parties have agreed to" the more worried I am. I have been involved with too many deals that when a contract isn't signed when it was supposed to be signed by, inevitably something always went wrong.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what do you consider O's ceiling at LSU?
how many SEC titles do you expect in the next 3 years?
how many national titles do you expect in the next 3 years?
Don't know, but that is an astute observation on your part. If I was asking you (the pessimist) I would not be asking the same questions.
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