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re: You ever feel like there's just a giant dumpster fire incoming?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:42 pm to misey94
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:42 pm to misey94
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If you want the program to collapse,
here is the problem with your strawman argument
people don't want LSU to fail. they just expect LSU to fail b/c we hired a shitty HC
YUGE difference
most of us understand that all we have left is the lulz
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the game where we lost to a 14 point dog at home
You can't blame a HC for player execution. He put them in a situation to have a chance to win - did you see the stats from the game I posted earlier - and the players didn't seize the opportunity. Plane and simple.
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combined with a coach who lacks intellectual abilities of elite HCs + his insane strategy for the program
Tom Herman is fricking genius - no shite - real fricking genius and lost to SMU - a 23 point dog, and Memphis a 5.5 point dog. I would rather have a dumb coach who wins games he is supposed to than a genius who loses to the SMU's of the college football world.
What is this insane strategy you are talking about?
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Herman is a genius, a brilliant football strategist, and trained under the best as a coordinator (and won a title along the way). He also won a major bowl last year against a top program (2 things O has never done as a HC)
Urban Meyer won a title along the way. He won 2 titles at Florida, was Herman there also? His bowl win was impressive and would have been more impressive if it wasn't with the previous staff's program. Why did he do worse in his second season?
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Orgeron has only run a defense when he was the HC (and he sucked at it)
Very Cool !!! For some reason that I can't quite put my finger on, defense is the least of my worries for CEO at LSU.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
They have no reason to trust O, they are reacting emotionally and not logically. When O goes 6-6 / 7-5 you will hear a ton of excuses from these same people, we lost a lot of talent (which is funny because they are acting like going 5-2 was some miracle this year), we didn't have a QB, we had a new offensive system, etc.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:44 pm to Tiger Ree
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Tiger Ree
Just stop.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:46 pm to Topwater Trout
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Herman won a national title under Meyer...do you really think Herman was the difference
Of course he does.
He was just about to post about the four rings CEO has from the NC teams he coached on. The Jimmy Johnson and Dennis Erickson titles with Miami and the Pete Carroll titles with USC. CEO won his rings just like Herm did.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if we're just ignoring records as HC, who has more potential to be an elite HC: Herman or Orgeron?
Herman, and there isn't even an argument there. The losses don't mean everything, just like they aren't meaningless. The positives do outweigh them.
What is so infuriating is that the Herman fans here completely dismiss them, no matter what. The O fans do the opposite. The truth is that both his big wins and big losses are fricking facts. None of these facts change or disappear to fit either of your arguments. The reality at the end of the day is that he's gone and this is all pointless bullshite that doesn't change anything.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:47 pm to Tiger Ree
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His bowl win was impressive and would have been more impressive if it wasn't with the previous staff's program.
How can you make this assertion with a straight face while also propping up O for winning against a bunch of shitty teams at LSU with neither his own players or his own staff? You are stumbling all over yourself to prop up an unproven and unqualified coach. There is not one single objective measure that says O has more potential than Herman or that O was a better hire. Not 1.
And now, cue your reference to the SMU loss...
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:48 pm to Tiger Ree
Did you just say you can't blame the HC for player execution, are you serious? Then who the hell is responsible for the team's execution?
Our RB didn't know which way to go on the last play of the game COMING OUT OF A TIMEOUT, that is the definition of a coaching issue. Now you're just saying anything to defend a shitty coaching performance.
Our RB didn't know which way to go on the last play of the game COMING OUT OF A TIMEOUT, that is the definition of a coaching issue. Now you're just saying anything to defend a shitty coaching performance.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:48 pm to Tiger Ree
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You can't blame a HC for player execution.
you can't give a HC credit for player execution in wins, either
ok so you want to discount all of Os 2016. that's fine. we can look at his history as a HC before 2016
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. I would rather have a dumb coach who wins games he is supposed to
except when we don't (Florida)
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What is this insane strategy you are talking about?
having a cheap HC and using the savings to overpay for coordinators to actually run the team
we're basically going to have 3, mini-HCs next year. what could go wrong?
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His bowl win was impressive and would have been more impressive if it wasn't with the previous staff's program.
who's program was O using in 2016?
again, so you want to discount 2016 for Orgeron. that's fine. we can look at his previous HC stops
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Very Cool !!! For some reason that I can't quite put my finger on, defense is the least of my worries for CEO at LSU.
i'm talking about his abilities of being an Xs and Os coach
if he can't even be promoted to a coordinator position, why, given his history at HC, do you think he's capable of being an elite HC who will win a national title?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm being serious here. what about O makes you trust him more than Herman as a coaching prospect?
I never said anything about trust. You asked about potential as a coach. Re-read my comment. If you are asking why I say based upon this year alone, O showed more potential-- it's simple. Herman's losses were atrocious. Never a chance of winning those games against much weaker opponents. O's loss to Bama was bad bc of no real change during game. But Bama is #1 team. Florida was all around bad luck-- crucial turnovers at critical times and player going wrong way on goal line.
We can debate all day-- but Herman bad losses this year were 100 times worse than O's.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:49 pm to ellessuuuu
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When O goes 6-6 / 7-5 you will hear a ton of excuses from these same people
hell just look at them for the UF game
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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most of us understand that all we have left is the lulz
bullshite. That right there tells me differently. You would rather be right and laugh hysterically as the ship goes down than be proven wrong as have to admit it, even as your team is winning. It's typical message board bullshite.
I don't think O will fail the way some of you do, but I don't see him doing any better than the last 3 seasons. But I would LOVE for him to prove me wrong because that would be great for my alma mater.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:57 pm to misey94
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You would rather be right and laugh hysterically as the ship goes down than be proven wrong as have to admit it,
what are you talking about?
it's not what i want. it's what i expect
the lulz is finding positives in what will be a sea of negatives
if we're going to suck, might as well find ways to make it a fun time somehow
Posted on 12/3/16 at 2:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
Thing is-- a person's heavy south Louisiana accent may make them appear to be unintelligent, when it's not necessarily the case. I think that factor plays against O. Had Herman, Saban, Meyer or Harbough shown up to interview with a comprehensive binder laying out the direction of the program and methodology of how to get back to championship winning ways-- this board would be praising the attention to detail and preparedness. But since O did it-- you make fun of him. Par for the course, we eat our own.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:00 pm to ellessuuuu
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He inherited a team with a ton of upperclassman talent (watch how much of our roster gets drafted) and one of the best DC's in college football
Is that his fault?
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he couldn't even win all the games he supposed to win
Yes ALL ONE of them. He had the team in a position to win. Herman lost games and didn't have his team in a position to do anything but watch the other team celebrate.
Herman lost 3 games to teams he was a large favorite against.
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That performance doesn't warrant him being hired after only interviewing one other candidate and before the regular season was over
No? That is what happened. CEO did everything anybody could have hoped for. They UF loss wasn't good but it's not like LSU didn't beat UF in every category besides the final score.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:02 pm to beauxroux
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Thing is-- a person's heavy south Louisiana accent may make them appear to be unintelligent, when it's not necessarily the case. I think that factor plays against O.
i don't give a frick that O has a cajun accent
i give a frick that O was never considered even mediocre enough to run a defense and that he was a historically bad and overwhelmed HC in his one real stint in the role. and it gets worse when comparing his mental abilities to a near-genius like Herman
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Had Herman, Saban, Meyer or Harbough shown up to interview with a comprehensive binder laying out the direction of the program and methodology of how to get back to championship winning ways-- this board would be praising the attention to detail and preparedness.
i bet none of them show up with a binder and show up with an ipad or some other form of an electronic presentation. plus they have a track record of being great football minds and showing they could build programs. the fact that O shows up with "old media" AND this was prepared by his Minister of Information makes it that much more absurd
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
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lsu2006
You attorneys leave that poor child alone.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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so basically anything he did last year has no real meaning and the data is irrelevant
Not irrelevant at all. His record of 5-2 is what it is. He lost to the #1 team in the country and ONE game he shouldn't have. But, the one loss to the team he shouldn't have was not entirely his fault.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:07 pm to higgs_boson
At least u guys know auburn may tank but in a year or two u bounce back. When Lsu tanks it's usually for a decade
Posted on 12/3/16 at 3:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i bet none of them show up with a binder and show up with an ipad or some other form of an electronic presentation. plus they have a track record of being great football minds and showing they could build programs. the fact that O shows up with "old media" AND this was prepared by his Minister of Information makes it that much more absurd
Some of the most effective presentations are old school. Complain about his presentation all you want-- it got him the job.
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