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Are the Republicans writing a bill to repeal/replace obamacare yet?
Posted on 11/9/16 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 11/9/16 at 3:59 pm
Would be a nice first day of office for Trump.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 3:59 pm to LordoftheManor
Trump will have that thing finished early and under budget..
Posted on 11/9/16 at 4:00 pm to LordoftheManor
I don't see them replacing it.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 4:02 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:
I don't see them replacing it.
Do you see them repealing it?
Posted on 11/9/16 at 4:06 pm to LordoftheManor
They need to take their time with it. I would immediately amend it to remove the tax penalty, give a bigger tax credit for premiums to help people in the short term, and then begin a bipartisan review that might last years.
Democrats willing to help might be few and far between, but some would come to the table. If DJT can't get some people working with him I will be very disappointed.
Not rushing to repeal it will draw him some ire from the right, but it would be worth it to appear reasonable and caring while coming up with a better solution.
Democrats willing to help might be few and far between, but some would come to the table. If DJT can't get some people working with him I will be very disappointed.
Not rushing to repeal it will draw him some ire from the right, but it would be worth it to appear reasonable and caring while coming up with a better solution.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 4:06 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:
I don't see them replacing it.
I don't see an upvote coming your way either
Posted on 11/9/16 at 4:07 pm to LordoftheManor
The new government should appeal it at 2am in the morning on the day after the inauguration with no mention to the Democrats just as Obama passed it with no republicans in sight.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 4:07 pm to LordoftheManor
Uhhh, don't they already have one?
Posted on 11/9/16 at 4:12 pm to LordoftheManor
What needs to happen is exactly what Trump explained. Keeping them within state boundaries is ridiculous. The poor and illegals will go back to what they were doing before.....not paying for it
Posted on 11/9/16 at 4:13 pm to LordoftheManor
Congress has voted to repeal it more than once. They can do it again.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 4:17 pm to blueboy
quote:
Congress has voted to repeal it more than once. They can do it again.
pretty easy to vote for something that has no chance of passing.
the thing that gets them is pre-existing conditions. They likely have to address this somehow.
I suspect it will be more "repair" obamacare in the end. I doubt they address it until after 2018.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 4:19 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:
pretty easy to vote for something that has no chance of passing
I agree. Those were protest votes.
Totally different ballgame when you're responsible. It's time for them to prove they can be grown ups.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 4:22 pm to LordoftheManor
Why are they obligated to write a new bill just because the Democrats passed such horrible legislation. Just repeal it.
The Affordable Care Act was nothing more than a huge transference of wealth. It is amazing that a benefit which was previously provided by employers on a voluntary basis has now been placed under governmental control, forcing certain employers to provide the benefits or be fined, while telling them how the benefits are to be paid, how much they must pay, what is covered and deciding which of their employees lifestyles are to be subsidized by other employees.
In addition we were also being forced to subsidize health insurers through reimbursement corridors and subsidies when they were required to discard actuarial prognostications to assume any all risks with the knowledge that if their profits dropped accordingly the taxpayers would make up the difference. Now the courts have finally reigned in this assault on our constitution by this administration by ruling these subsidies can only be paid when authorized by Congress. Congress has refused to allocate the funding and the carriers have elected to abandon this sinking vessel.
Yes, the " uninsured rate " may have dropped . Much of this is due to the mandate to purchase ( the first time in the history of this country the populace is forced to purchase a product just for existing) and those who would have been eligible for Medicaid even without the Affordable Care Act. Yet, the new insureds really are no better off as they must absorb large deductibles and co-payments to access their coverage. This is prohibitive for many. When the Democrats were passing the ACA we were told, depending on the audience that there were 30,000,000 to 50,000,000 uninsured people in the country who would benefit from passing the ACA. Lets split it and call it 40 million uninsured. If those numbers were true then there should have been a stampede to sign up for coverage last year and this year.
The Health and Human Services claims the number of signups this year is 12.8 million Remember, though we were not told the truth about 2014 signups and it was eventually uncovered and finally admitted by the administration that they had lied and the number of signups was actually 6.3 million and not the 8.7 million they touted until they were exposed. There was no confirmation of how many of the current 12.8 million were previously insured and lost their coverage due to the ACA. In reality there may have been only 5 million newly insured.. Now we learn that 1.7 million have dropped coverage and the year is only half over.. The total is now down to 11 million if we can believe the administration's numbers. The total may be well below 10 million by the end of the year.
My premiums have increased 64% since 2013 with higher deductibles and co-payments while I am also forced to subsidize the insurance of others. The president claimed premiums would be reduced $2,500 per family by the Affordable Care Act. The president knew this was not true and deliberately lied to the American people to push for the passage of the act.
The Democrats can be proud of themselves. They gave Obama his signature accomplishment and now the Democrats own it. It has already cost them the Congress and it was a significant factor in costing them the Presidency.
It would have been better for Congress to have allocated an assigned risk pool of funds to assist those who were shut out of the standard insurance markets by pre-existing conditions instead of this giant exercise in absurdity and lunacy. The Democrats had to resort to unconstitutional deception and bribery of reluctant Congresspersons from Nebraska, Louisiana and Michigan to get the law passed. We were lied to again and again and again by this administration.
Jonathan Gruber, one of the plan's major architects confirmed the level of deceit by the Democrats. Hard working tax paying citizens are being forced to subsidize health care for others, meanwhile many have lost their own coverage and are being forced to purchase insurance with higher premiums and higher deductibles and copayments. Despite Obama's claim it would reduce premiums an average of $2,500.00 per family this year's true numbers of participants will continue to drop, primarily due to the cost. A recent report stated more and more Obamacare recipients cancelled their policies even after being afforded great leniency by the very liberal rules set by this administration.
So we had to totally disrupt health coverage that many were happy with, had to endure a total revision of the healthcare system all for less than 3% of the population of this country. This continues to prove how incompetent this administration is and so ill prepared to govern. This is yet another example of how liberals operate. They will take what they can get at first. Then having gotten their foot in the door they return to press for the rest at a later date in the guise of fairness. Then anyone who objects is waging a war on those beneficiaries, a meme which their media minions is always willing to trumpet. Look no further than this current push for single payer option and the recent movement in California to cover illegal immigrants.
The Democrat Congress and President Obama passed a defective bill and will continue to pay the price for it. The Democrat Congress had to assure Obama got his signature accomplishment. You Democrats now own it lock, stock and barrel
The Affordable Care Act was nothing more than a huge transference of wealth. It is amazing that a benefit which was previously provided by employers on a voluntary basis has now been placed under governmental control, forcing certain employers to provide the benefits or be fined, while telling them how the benefits are to be paid, how much they must pay, what is covered and deciding which of their employees lifestyles are to be subsidized by other employees.
In addition we were also being forced to subsidize health insurers through reimbursement corridors and subsidies when they were required to discard actuarial prognostications to assume any all risks with the knowledge that if their profits dropped accordingly the taxpayers would make up the difference. Now the courts have finally reigned in this assault on our constitution by this administration by ruling these subsidies can only be paid when authorized by Congress. Congress has refused to allocate the funding and the carriers have elected to abandon this sinking vessel.
Yes, the " uninsured rate " may have dropped . Much of this is due to the mandate to purchase ( the first time in the history of this country the populace is forced to purchase a product just for existing) and those who would have been eligible for Medicaid even without the Affordable Care Act. Yet, the new insureds really are no better off as they must absorb large deductibles and co-payments to access their coverage. This is prohibitive for many. When the Democrats were passing the ACA we were told, depending on the audience that there were 30,000,000 to 50,000,000 uninsured people in the country who would benefit from passing the ACA. Lets split it and call it 40 million uninsured. If those numbers were true then there should have been a stampede to sign up for coverage last year and this year.
The Health and Human Services claims the number of signups this year is 12.8 million Remember, though we were not told the truth about 2014 signups and it was eventually uncovered and finally admitted by the administration that they had lied and the number of signups was actually 6.3 million and not the 8.7 million they touted until they were exposed. There was no confirmation of how many of the current 12.8 million were previously insured and lost their coverage due to the ACA. In reality there may have been only 5 million newly insured.. Now we learn that 1.7 million have dropped coverage and the year is only half over.. The total is now down to 11 million if we can believe the administration's numbers. The total may be well below 10 million by the end of the year.
My premiums have increased 64% since 2013 with higher deductibles and co-payments while I am also forced to subsidize the insurance of others. The president claimed premiums would be reduced $2,500 per family by the Affordable Care Act. The president knew this was not true and deliberately lied to the American people to push for the passage of the act.
The Democrats can be proud of themselves. They gave Obama his signature accomplishment and now the Democrats own it. It has already cost them the Congress and it was a significant factor in costing them the Presidency.
It would have been better for Congress to have allocated an assigned risk pool of funds to assist those who were shut out of the standard insurance markets by pre-existing conditions instead of this giant exercise in absurdity and lunacy. The Democrats had to resort to unconstitutional deception and bribery of reluctant Congresspersons from Nebraska, Louisiana and Michigan to get the law passed. We were lied to again and again and again by this administration.
Jonathan Gruber, one of the plan's major architects confirmed the level of deceit by the Democrats. Hard working tax paying citizens are being forced to subsidize health care for others, meanwhile many have lost their own coverage and are being forced to purchase insurance with higher premiums and higher deductibles and copayments. Despite Obama's claim it would reduce premiums an average of $2,500.00 per family this year's true numbers of participants will continue to drop, primarily due to the cost. A recent report stated more and more Obamacare recipients cancelled their policies even after being afforded great leniency by the very liberal rules set by this administration.
So we had to totally disrupt health coverage that many were happy with, had to endure a total revision of the healthcare system all for less than 3% of the population of this country. This continues to prove how incompetent this administration is and so ill prepared to govern. This is yet another example of how liberals operate. They will take what they can get at first. Then having gotten their foot in the door they return to press for the rest at a later date in the guise of fairness. Then anyone who objects is waging a war on those beneficiaries, a meme which their media minions is always willing to trumpet. Look no further than this current push for single payer option and the recent movement in California to cover illegal immigrants.
The Democrat Congress and President Obama passed a defective bill and will continue to pay the price for it. The Democrat Congress had to assure Obama got his signature accomplishment. You Democrats now own it lock, stock and barrel
Posted on 11/9/16 at 4:23 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
Uhhh, don't they already have one?
Yep. Paul Ryan has one in his pocket ready to go.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 5:21 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:They don't have to do shite. Liberals can cry all they like.
the thing that gets them is pre-existing conditions. They likely have to address this somehow.
quote:But refusing to do so when you have a complicit president is political suicide.
pretty easy to vote for something that has no chance of passing.
quote:Wanna bet?
I suspect it will be more "repair" obamacare in the end. I doubt they address it until after 2018.
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