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Final Miles analysis: Pumpers vs Negatigers
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:41 pm
The back and forth went on for YEARS - and quite vehemently since 1-09-12. So how do you think it shook out ultimately?
IMO, the only thing complicating the Negatigers' argument is the 2011 season. It was a thing of beauty that I'm glad I got to see in my lifetime. And I still argue to this day that Miles actually out-coached Saban in the "Armageddon" game from November, 2011.
However, with benefit of hindsight, I think it's somewhat clear that Les caught some lucky lightning in a bottle that season - a stupidly ridiculous roster of talent which gelled at the right time and which also featured the improbable rise of TM7.
As a Negatiger, I've thought it was obvious since at least 2009 that Miles should be gone (and in all honesty, I never actually got past the 1st Quarter foibles of Tennessee, 2005). The obvious and often gameday gaffes were always inexcusable.
But after 5 seasons of watching the best players in the NFL constituting a virtual roster of LSU Allstars, I don't see how anyone could have remained a Positiger. Any remotely honest breakdown of top line Win/Loss stats in Les' career always told a way more mixed tale than "he's had x number of 10-win seasons".
I don't deny that at times the Negatigers flirted with being spoiled brats who didn't often place things in the context of the Program's darker years. But in the final wash, I blame the Positiger's for constantly keeping the blinders on and refusing to acknowledge the obvious: LSU Football was transformed into an under-performing, unwatchable product on the field and that Leslie himself was ultimately the reason for that.
Without the relentless sunshine pumping, yesterday might have come far sooner...and for the greater benefit of the Program.
IMO, the only thing complicating the Negatigers' argument is the 2011 season. It was a thing of beauty that I'm glad I got to see in my lifetime. And I still argue to this day that Miles actually out-coached Saban in the "Armageddon" game from November, 2011.
However, with benefit of hindsight, I think it's somewhat clear that Les caught some lucky lightning in a bottle that season - a stupidly ridiculous roster of talent which gelled at the right time and which also featured the improbable rise of TM7.
As a Negatiger, I've thought it was obvious since at least 2009 that Miles should be gone (and in all honesty, I never actually got past the 1st Quarter foibles of Tennessee, 2005). The obvious and often gameday gaffes were always inexcusable.
But after 5 seasons of watching the best players in the NFL constituting a virtual roster of LSU Allstars, I don't see how anyone could have remained a Positiger. Any remotely honest breakdown of top line Win/Loss stats in Les' career always told a way more mixed tale than "he's had x number of 10-win seasons".
I don't deny that at times the Negatigers flirted with being spoiled brats who didn't often place things in the context of the Program's darker years. But in the final wash, I blame the Positiger's for constantly keeping the blinders on and refusing to acknowledge the obvious: LSU Football was transformed into an under-performing, unwatchable product on the field and that Leslie himself was ultimately the reason for that.
Without the relentless sunshine pumping, yesterday might have come far sooner...and for the greater benefit of the Program.
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:43 pm to Big Scrub TX
Well said. Ill fap to that. 
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:46 pm to Big Scrub TX
This thread is pointless. The pumpers already lost. Leave them alone.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:48 pm to Big Scrub TX
yeah i was banned for a year for speaking the truth. The times have certainly changed. Id never say i was right though 
. Happy for LSU football again though 
. It would be funny if one of our Qb's threw for 300 yards right out the gate!
. Happy for LSU football again though . It would be funny if one of our Qb's threw for 300 yards right out the gate!This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:50 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I don't deny that at times the Negatigers flirted with being spoiled brats who didn't often place things in the context of the Program's darker years. But in the final wash, I blame the Positiger's for constantly keeping the blinders on and refusing to acknowledge the obvious: LSU Football was transformed into an under-performing, unwatchable product on the field and that Leslie himself was ultimately the reason for that.
Spot on
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:53 pm to Big Scrub TX
Well said, Big Scrub, couldn't agree with you anymore. 
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:53 pm to Big Scrub TX
Nothing lasts forever. The negas have been wrong many times. An inevitable coaching change does nothing to vindicate their bitch assness
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:01 pm to Big Scrub TX
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This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:16 pm to Big Scrub TX
It worked out the way it was supposed to:
Both factions have different views, but their love for LSU is all the same.
Like coach O said in his presser: LSU is bigger than any player or coach. The culture of being home to the feared, fighting tigers is greater than any one person.
He was absolutely correct. I'm excited for the future.
Both factions have different views, but their love for LSU is all the same.
Like coach O said in his presser: LSU is bigger than any player or coach. The culture of being home to the feared, fighting tigers is greater than any one person.
He was absolutely correct. I'm excited for the future.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:17 pm to Big Scrub TX
As with every other mundane division on this board, reality lies somewhere in the middle.
I think we fired him 4 games too late. Too many people say 4 years. Probably some say 8 games too soon.
Also, a final analysis of pumpers and negatigers by an admitted member of one or the other is about as worthless as a velvet painting of a whale and dolphin getting it on.
With all due respect.
I think we fired him 4 games too late. Too many people say 4 years. Probably some say 8 games too soon.
Also, a final analysis of pumpers and negatigers by an admitted member of one or the other is about as worthless as a velvet painting of a whale and dolphin getting it on.
With all due respect.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:17 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Without the relentless sunshine pumping, yesterday might have come far sooner...and for the greater benefit of the Program.
This is retarded
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:18 pm to Big Scrub TX
What always chapped my arse about the negative folks was the lengths they would go to shite on the accomplishments through basically the first 6 years. It was like they were incapable of laying out reasons he needed to go without acknowledging how wildly successful he was for a while.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:20 pm to Big Scrub TX
Great summary. Well done.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:28 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Final Miles analysis: Pumpers vs Negatigers
Who gives a shite...Les and Cam are gone and nearly everyone agrees it should have happened. Let's put this nonsense to bed.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:32 pm to Big Scrub TX
I always thought that after 2009 was when you finally knew what you had with Less Miles. 2010 pretty much cemented it. In 2011 I got to enjoy an all time great defense and was not upset when I saw what Leslie ultimately did to the offense. Still, the championship loss to Alabama was just the most unentertaining game to watch.
That is what ultimately cost Miles. The product on the field was at times unwatchable for LSU fans. I am sure that casual TV watchers changed the channel even on the marquee match ups. The SEC network probably factored in.
That is what ultimately cost Miles. The product on the field was at times unwatchable for LSU fans. I am sure that casual TV watchers changed the channel even on the marquee match ups. The SEC network probably factored in.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:33 pm to Big Scrub TX
Why even start this thread?
I never wanted to be right. I wanted LSU football to be better.
Miles is gone. Continuing this argument now just makes it look like you were more anti Miles than pro LSU which is exactly wear many of us have said about the pumpers.
IDGAF about yesterday. I'm hoping the players get pumped to perform for O and I hope we get the hire right.
F history. It's done
I never wanted to be right. I wanted LSU football to be better.
Miles is gone. Continuing this argument now just makes it look like you were more anti Miles than pro LSU which is exactly wear many of us have said about the pumpers.
IDGAF about yesterday. I'm hoping the players get pumped to perform for O and I hope we get the hire right.
F history. It's done
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:39 pm to Big Scrub TX
And I thought your threads on the Poli Board were a load of crap. 
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:40 pm to Big Scrub TX
The negatigers always grasp onto the one fact that helps them - number of NFL players from LSU. But, that is only one facet of how much "talent" you have on a team. "There will be ten players from this team in the NFL." So what? Ten players represent less than 1/2 the players on the field and a much smaller percentage of the team itself.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:42 pm to Big Scrub TX
I hate to say this, but I actually upvoted one of your posts.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:46 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Miles actually out-coached Saban in the "Armageddon" game from November, 2011.
If you are alluding to the fact that Saban tried to kick all those FGs rather than punting, then its more like Saban outcoached himself, because Miles had little to do with those decisions
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