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So Fleener..........should we be concerned?
Posted on 8/26/16 at 9:21 am
Posted on 8/26/16 at 9:21 am
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I've been chalking it up to them needing more time to get acquainted with one another, but the "same page" comments keep popping up and the drops. I have no illusions that he'll even sniff Graham type of production, but are we headed towards another bust FA or do we need to be patient?
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The New Orleans Times-Picayune's Larry Holder reports Coby Fleener "hasn't been reliable enough catching passes and isn't on the same page with Drew Brees." According to Holder, it's resulted in No. 2 tight end Josh Hill seeing more work with the first-team offense this week. Fleener dropped too many balls in Indianapolis, as well, and it's possible the Saints were actually sending Fleener a message when they "accidentally" listed him with the fourth-stringers on last week's unofficial depth chart. We're not panicking, yet, but it's something to keep an eye on. Not being on the same page with Brees is the biggest concern.
I've been chalking it up to them needing more time to get acquainted with one another, but the "same page" comments keep popping up and the drops. I have no illusions that he'll even sniff Graham type of production, but are we headed towards another bust FA or do we need to be patient?
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 9:23 am to sicboy
Damn we signed a dude with stone hands?
Maybe we can sneak some sticky on his gloves.
Maybe we can sneak some sticky on his gloves.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 9:25 am to sicboy
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I've been chalking it up to them needing more time to get acquainted with one another,
I think this is probably the case. It took us a bit last year to get in sync too at the position.
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Damn we signed a dude with stone hands?
He's had a pretty low drop %.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 9:26 am
Posted on 8/26/16 at 9:27 am to sicboy
It def should be concerning. This regime doesn't have a good history when it comes to signing free agents. And if we're being honest the money used to sign Fleener should have went to shoring up the offensive line. Lets just hope he lives up to his contract
Posted on 8/26/16 at 9:35 am to sicboy
Larry Holder? He's turned into a baby Jeff Duncan. Always looking for a story to stir the shite.
And check his drop rate on PFF. It is extraordinarily overblown.
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And the media team's unofficial depth chart listed him third, not fourth. Yet another idiot that can't depth chart.
And check his drop rate on PFF. It is extraordinarily overblown.
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And the media team's unofficial depth chart listed him third, not fourth. Yet another idiot that can't depth chart.
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 9:37 am
Posted on 8/26/16 at 9:40 am to sicboy
I'll wait for a few games into the season first.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:11 am to sicboy
Why's this shocking? He's always been incredibly inconsistent with his hands which is why I was shocked the Saints even signed this guy for what they did. He's really not that good of a TE and being around great QBs he's always been extremely hit or miss in games. He's never consistent. Always been a guy who showed great flashes at times but doesn't appear to know how to put it all together. I've seen so many times he's wide open and just drops a ball for no reason other than butter fingers. Didn't like the signing and so far this preseason doesn't sound like a good one either. If Hill is pushing him then you know he's bad.
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:11 pm to sicboy
This was a concern for me as well. Graham had a RS season before being heavily thrust into a role here, Watson spent his career with NE and was a backup here for years before starting last year. The NOLA TE produces narrative largely centers around those 2 individuals. Not chalking this up as a bust signing but more as a fans need to caution year 1 expectations.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 12:57 pm to sicboy
I remember, I think it was either last year or year before last, when Fleener was in Indy, there was a play where he was literally wide open going into the end zone. Luck threw a perfect pass to him and... Fleener completely whiffed on the play. The ball hit him in the hands and he couldn't haul it in. Not good. I mean, I think he's a decent TE, but plays like that give you doubt.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:13 pm to sicboy
See this link. In 2012, Jimmy Graham led the league in dropped passes with 14. He drastically improved from that. I do seem to remember him struggling with an injury which could explain the high number.
Fleener, on the other hand, has had a career high 5 drops in 2014 for a drop rate of 5.4% and only 3 drops in 2015 for a drop rate of 3.6%. I think that he will be fine and that he and Brees just need reps.
I actually like the fact that maybe Brees won't use Fleener as his security blanket like he did with Graham. I want to see Cooks, Snead, Thomas and Fleener all be productive and cause mismatch issues for the teams that we face.
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Fleener, on the other hand, has had a career high 5 drops in 2014 for a drop rate of 5.4% and only 3 drops in 2015 for a drop rate of 3.6%. I think that he will be fine and that he and Brees just need reps.
I actually like the fact that maybe Brees won't use Fleener as his security blanket like he did with Graham. I want to see Cooks, Snead, Thomas and Fleener all be productive and cause mismatch issues for the teams that we face.
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 1:46 pm to sicboy
Not worried about it. I think he isn't comfortable in our offense yet which causes lack of confidence. Once he gets the system down he'll be fine.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 2:17 pm to sicboy
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I've been chalking it up to them needing more time to get acquainted with one another, but the "same page" comments keep popping up and the drops. I have no illusions that he'll even sniff Graham type of production, but are we headed towards another bust FA or do we need to be patient?
Dropping balls is an issue as is being on the same page as Brees. But, the bigger issue, IMO, is that he's nothing special and we spent the little money we had on him. This is going to go down as money poorly spent...even if Brees turns him into Ben Watson type of production.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:01 pm to sicboy
well I mean I'm sure there have been instances where a player comes in and looks solid and all signs point to him being a good signing.
and then for whatever reason they don't play well in games or just fall off all together.
So I'm not jumping the gun on Fleener yet. Sometimes a player comes in and gets off to a slow start before they settle in.
I wasn't the biggest fan of the signing either cause unless you are brining in a top tier talent at TE there isn't a need to spend up on one in my opinion.
would have rather seen us address defense or get more help at guard.
oh well.
and then for whatever reason they don't play well in games or just fall off all together.
So I'm not jumping the gun on Fleener yet. Sometimes a player comes in and gets off to a slow start before they settle in.
I wasn't the biggest fan of the signing either cause unless you are brining in a top tier talent at TE there isn't a need to spend up on one in my opinion.
would have rather seen us address defense or get more help at guard.
oh well.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 4:18 pm to sicboy
Drew Brees can turn Ben Watson into an elite TE, so why did we need to throw millions at a middle of the road tight end?
I've questioned that signing since its inception.
I've questioned that signing since its inception.
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