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Scales tipped against college?
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:16 pm
When does it not become worth it to go to college?
With plant operators and plumbers starting at $80k; college grads starting as bank tellers; lawyer ads on every commercial break, when does college not become worth it?
With plant operators and plumbers starting at $80k; college grads starting as bank tellers; lawyer ads on every commercial break, when does college not become worth it?
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Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:18 pm to Halftrack
It already is
#trucknutsforlife
#trucknutsforlife
This post was edited on 7/24/16 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:19 pm to Halftrack
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When does it not become worth it to go to college?
When it becomes one giant safe space. So in about 5 years.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:20 pm to Halftrack
I'd say there is a certain intelligence level where it is worth it still. People with ACT's in the teens shouldn't be wasting their time for the most part.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:22 pm to TheWalrus
Will always be worth it for the professions that require a degree.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:24 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Will always be worth it for the professions that require a degree.
Depends on what you're considering "worth it". I've seen a growing number of teachers who are leaving the profession or college students ducking it all together because the worth of the degree has exceeded the pay/shite you put up with.
I think we're reaching a point where the degree for some professions cost more than the benefit of having that job. At the same time, more and more jobs that shouldn't require a degree are beginning to require them.
This post was edited on 7/24/16 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:27 pm to Halftrack
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plumbers starting at $80k
Plumbers aren't starting at that if they are union.
Construction plumbers that hustle lol at only making $80K.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:27 pm to Halftrack
I agree most computer related jobs seems you can get certifications for 1/10 the price of college that could replace that degree. Most tech jobs people want to see if you had the will to earn those certifications, say microsoft certs, on your own. Have a few of those i think most people hiring would be more impressed with that than a degree from a college.
This post was edited on 7/24/16 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:27 pm to Halftrack
Where are plumbers starting at $80k?
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:29 pm to Halftrack
Have you seen the statistics on the non-degreed job market? They are abysmal.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:32 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
I'd be genuinely curious as to what professions in the last 10 years have gone from "having experience" to "having a degree" as a pre-requisite.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:32 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Will always be worth it for the professions that require a degree.
Businesses and corporations have contributed to the problem by using a college degree as a employee screening tool. Over the last 40 years this as resulted in positions that were once filled by high school graduates now requiring a degree, and many jobs that could be done by a 2 year tech school graduate now require a engineering degree even though the knowledge requirements of the positions have not really changed that much.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:34 pm to Halftrack
When I graduated HS in 1997 you pretty much had to go to college. You needed a degree to get a decent job. There was a big difference between having a degree and not having a degree. If I were graduating HS today, if I were not going to school to be an engineer, dr, lawyer (there are too many lawyers today so this would not be likely), work in the media (whether its a writer, broadcasting, anything that has to do with media) or a professor I would go to a trade school to become a piping or electrical designer or some type of specific skill.
There was a time when all you needed was a degree. You could have majored in gender studies and still be able to apply to a wide range of jobs. I remember seeing jobs that someone could easily do without a degree, but the requirement would be "a 4 yr degree", which was pretty much used as a filter. I am sure there are still jobs out there that just requires a 4 yr degree, but if you looking for the long term, you would be better off going to a trade school.
There was a time when all you needed was a degree. You could have majored in gender studies and still be able to apply to a wide range of jobs. I remember seeing jobs that someone could easily do without a degree, but the requirement would be "a 4 yr degree", which was pretty much used as a filter. I am sure there are still jobs out there that just requires a 4 yr degree, but if you looking for the long term, you would be better off going to a trade school.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:35 pm to Brosef Stalin
The median income for plumbers, pipefitters, and steam fitters for 2015 was very close to $50k.
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This post was edited on 7/24/16 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:36 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Have you seen the statistics on the non-degreed job market? They are abysmal.
This.
I'd never be working in tech if it wasn't for my EE degree. Granted, certs have their advantages like CCNA, Citrix, and Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer but don't replace that piece of paper. However, employers want to see if the applicant can handle rigorous college level engineering courses that translate into real world scenarios. The likelihood of getting a job offer in engineering is ten hold higher degreed, than non degreed.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:39 pm to Halftrack
It depends on the person and the degree. Some people are too damn dumb for college, and a lot of degrees aren't worth the paper they are printed on. We have way too many degree options.
Also I'd say if you have 6 figures worth of student loans for a liberal arts degree, it's not worth it.
Also I'd say if you have 6 figures worth of student loans for a liberal arts degree, it's not worth it.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:44 pm to stout
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Plumbers aren't starting at that if they are union.
Construction plumbers that hustle lol at only making $80K.
I am not sure what plumbers start out making, it really depends on where they start out, but when I worked in building inspection & permits for a local government when I was in college it wasn't easy to find a certified plumber. There were people who could do the work, but could not pass the test. We use to see a lot of people who did plumbing work end up having to find other types of work
There were a handful of independent plumbers.. who stayed busy and not to mention, if you have to call them on the weekend or holiday they will charge the piss out of you. I remember a guy coming in telling us how his toilet overflowed on Christmas Eve, hours before a party he was having started. He had to call the plumber and he was charged 3 times the plumbers regular rate. Whenever I need a plumber, I stick with roto rooter ..
Speaking of plumbing... Has anyone ever used a plumber from Livingston Parish who wore/wears a gold chain with a gold toilet seat on the chain? I forgot his name, but that shite use to trip me out.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 4:01 pm to Halftrack
College being "worth it" relies more on the intelligence/work ethic of the college student more than the starting pay of careers that don't require college.
And I suspect that, as usual, Tigerdroppings may not be the best barometer of the average pay of the trades. I'm sure that there are plumbers out there clearing six figures; I'm not so sure that it's as common as implied on here.
And I suspect that, as usual, Tigerdroppings may not be the best barometer of the average pay of the trades. I'm sure that there are plumbers out there clearing six figures; I'm not so sure that it's as common as implied on here.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 4:09 pm to Halftrack
Skilled trades start out better, but you can't make a living off your body forever. Eventually you'll be better off !moving into a white collar job.
There's also a big difference in opportunities for men vs women with only a high school diploma. A college education has a higher rate of return for women due to the lower starting point, so it's still worth it for them. That's why more of them do it.
There's also a big difference in opportunities for men vs women with only a high school diploma. A college education has a higher rate of return for women due to the lower starting point, so it's still worth it for them. That's why more of them do it.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 4:17 pm to Bestbank Tiger
There are two "worth it" camps in my view. The economic utility camp and the social utility camp are both unique outcomes.
Economic utility being based on earning potential and gaining of a skill set that the economy values. Accountants and engineers are the ones that excel is this criteria. They are easily employable and are eligible for careers that are otherwise off limits.
The social utility piece is a much softer measure but may be even more valuable to some people. There is a lot of personal growth and exposure to different ways of thinking that happens in undergrad. The things you experience in undergrad shape your viewpoints on complex social issues for the test of your life. This education is not measured in dollars rather your ability to analyze critically complex issues. Someone who gets a communications, arts, liberal arts, history, political science, etc. degree largely falls into this second camp. One could argue that this education allows them to more successfully contribute to society than foregoing the education.
I don't believe the two camps are completely separate, however, most on this board are likely to focus on the economic utility side whilst forgetting about the social utility component of the equation.
Economic utility being based on earning potential and gaining of a skill set that the economy values. Accountants and engineers are the ones that excel is this criteria. They are easily employable and are eligible for careers that are otherwise off limits.
The social utility piece is a much softer measure but may be even more valuable to some people. There is a lot of personal growth and exposure to different ways of thinking that happens in undergrad. The things you experience in undergrad shape your viewpoints on complex social issues for the test of your life. This education is not measured in dollars rather your ability to analyze critically complex issues. Someone who gets a communications, arts, liberal arts, history, political science, etc. degree largely falls into this second camp. One could argue that this education allows them to more successfully contribute to society than foregoing the education.
I don't believe the two camps are completely separate, however, most on this board are likely to focus on the economic utility side whilst forgetting about the social utility component of the equation.
This post was edited on 7/24/16 at 4:19 pm
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