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Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:58 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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Nolan Ryan is the most overrated pitcher of all time.
He's become underrated because so many people really think this
Best in the modern era, no. That's not even a good troll
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:59 am to McCaigBro69
Without reading anything but the thread title:
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:59 am to The Seaward
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Now Kershaw hasn't quite matched Ryan's whole career and I doubt he ever catches his longevity and counting stats, but on a per-game basis, Kershaw is clearly better.
that's how I have Kershaw and Baumgartner in my top 10.
I am cool with having guys in the top group with short careers or early in the career. Hence Koufax, who blew out his elbow at age 30 and took several years to learn to control his breaking ball.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 10:59 am to McCaigBro69
This thread is a non starter since Nolan Ryan isn't the best pitcher of the modern era to begin with
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:02 am to LL012697
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This thread is a non starter since Nolan Ryan isn't the best pitcher of the modern era to begin with
I do think its cool that the Mets had him on the team with Seaver and Koosman and didn't let him do much because he had no control yet.
Kind of the opposite of Gossage, who struggled with control as a starter with the Chi White Sox and found himself after he jumped to another team where he became a reliever.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:08 am to CelticDog
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Baumgartner
Is this really how you think his last name is spelled, because you spelled it this way twice
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:08 am to LL012697
Along with those already mentioned, Tom Seaver, a contemporary and early teammate of Ryan's, was better. I would nominate Jim Palmer, also. Ryan flat out walked too many batters.
Nolan Ryan was maybe the greatest thrower of all time. But there is more to pitching than painting the corners with fastballs.
Nolan Ryan was maybe the greatest thrower of all time. But there is more to pitching than painting the corners with fastballs.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:12 am to CelticDog
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My criteria is the dominance in the person's best years.
and yet you leave out Greg Maddux? His 4 year stretch from 92-95 with an ERA of 1.98 is quite dominant. Add in the next 2 years and it's still 2.15. He went 16-6 and 19-2 in back to back shortened seasons.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:12 am to Lester Earl
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He's become underrated because so many people really
I agree, even though I lmao at the OP. He may be hitting Jeter territory in this respect. It became so cool to hate on Jeter--and I was guilty of this myself--mainly because of how much better ARod and for a short time Nomar were, that he became so overrated, he's underrated. He's the poster boy of this.
And there were so many Texans who emotionally put Ryan on this pedestal, that we take it upon ourselves to shame them( and they can't really be taken seriously), sometimes we gloss over just how good Ryan was. He's not top 5 or probably even 10, but he was damn good for an incredibly long time. That has value. Let's say you're the Yankees, who will almost always be competitive. Would you take Sandy Koufak's 4-5 years of dominance or 27 years of Nolan Ryan?
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:21 am to Hot Carl
All-time leader in Ks and fewest H/9. That certainly speaks highly. Unfortunately, he's also the all-time leader in BBs, with an incredible 52% more than the next most.
Ryan was never willing to adjust his philosophy of avoiding contact at all costs.
Ryan was never willing to adjust his philosophy of avoiding contact at all costs.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:36 am to Speedy G
I'd throw Smoltz in the top 10
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:40 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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Greg Maddux Roger Clemens Pedro Martinez Randy Johnson
Any of these baws have their own brand of meat sold at the grocery store?
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:40 am to Speedy G
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Ryan was never willing to adjust his philosophy of avoiding contact at all costs.
Which is amazing, considering how long he played and how hard he threw until the very end. Do they keep all time stats on pitches thrown? He may have lapped the field. Truly a physical anomaly.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:42 am to McCaigBro69
Forget the modern era Nolan Ryan wasn't even they best pitcher in his own era.
Tom Seaver & Steve Carlton >>>> Nolan Ryan.
Tom Seaver & Steve Carlton >>>> Nolan Ryan.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:43 am to Hot Carl
I don't understand how he pitched that long, throwing 150+ pitches an appearance and still threw 95+ before it was all said and done.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:49 am to Hot Carl
Apparently, they didn't record pitch counts until 1988, which is pretty hard to believe. Surely teams were counting long before then.
Ryan is fifth all-time in batters faced, just behind Phil Niekro.
Ryan is fifth all-time in batters faced, just behind Phil Niekro.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:49 am to McCaigBro69
Ha. Ryan walked waaaaaay too many people. Pedro was better by a decent margin.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:51 am to cheesesteak501
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HAHAHAHA Nolan Ryan is like 30 games over 500 in his career.
hahahahaha you think wins and losses are a good way to measure pitchers.
Posted on 7/20/16 at 11:53 am to McCaigBro69
Nolan Ryan was great but there are multiple pitchers that are better. Today his fastball wouldnt be something as special as it was back then.
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