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re: Will there ever be a greater pitcher than Nolan Ryan in the modern era?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:01 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:01 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Brady has had some great teams
Uh wtf?
You do realize that other than Wes Welker, the Patriots have only had 3 pro bowl seasons from the RB/WR positions combined.
On top of that, Patriots have consistently had OL injuries or holes.
The Patriots have had good teams but Brady does more with less than any QB I've ever watched. He has turned Julian Edelman, a former part time CB/QB, into a stud
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Posted on 7/21/16 at 12:19 am to GenesChin
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The Patriots have had good teams but Brady does more with less than any QB I've ever watched.
Have to agree.
He single handedly revived Randy Moss' career.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:00 am to WestCoastAg
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he was worth 3.9 WAR a year during his career compared to other pitchers mentioned in this thread randy johnson - 5.2 WAR pedro martinez - 4.9 WAR roger clemens - 5.8 WAR greg maddux - 5.3 WAR the closest he comes is being a full win behind pedro
He played like 10 years longer than Pedro. Pedro was better but if you want to be honest at least compare how they performed during the same ages since Nolan played until he was over 45.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:14 am to lsu480
through ryans first ten seasons of at least 100 innings pitched, he was worth 38.7 WAR. pedro was worth 61.3
Posted on 7/21/16 at 2:19 am to WestCoastAg
to place that in the context of some current pitchers. bumgarner has been worth 25.7 WAR over his 7 seasons, kershaw has been worth 52.5 WAR over his 9 seasons, greinke was worth 40.1 WAR over his first 10 season of 100 innings, felix hernandez was worth 47.5 WAR, verlander was worth 47.3 WAR, david price has been worth 34.4 WAR over his first 8 seasons
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 2:23 am
Posted on 7/21/16 at 4:49 am to devils1854
Oops, messed up about Maddux, must have seen an outlier game once and heard somebody bitching afterwards
Thank you for pointing that out, always killed the Cards, wouldn't want to say anything wrong about him.
Thank you for pointing that out, always killed the Cards, wouldn't want to say anything wrong about him.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 5:54 am to gthog61
If Ryan was subjected to significantly higher pitch counts than the others mentioned, wouldn't it reason that his stats would naturally suffer due to over-use and diminished performance in later innings?
Can you accurately compare a 75-pitch Pedro (or any modern era pitcher ) to a 150-pitch Ryan one?
Can you accurately compare a 75-pitch Pedro (or any modern era pitcher ) to a 150-pitch Ryan one?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:18 am to McCaigBro69
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Watched the documentary 'Fastball' on Netflix
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Will there ever be a greater pitcher than Nolan Ryan in the modern era?
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:31 am to CelticDog
I'm shocked so few people mentioned Bob Gibson.
One problem I have with modern era pitchers from the 80's on is the lack of complete games. They're all a bunch of candy asses that cannot go the distance with any regularity.
One problem I have with modern era pitchers from the 80's on is the lack of complete games. They're all a bunch of candy asses that cannot go the distance with any regularity.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:36 am to McCaigBro69
If you have to go to stats to prove someone's better....they're not.
Just ask the hitters of the era who the best was.
Just ask the hitters of the era who the best was.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 7:57 am to NikolaiJakov
Doesn't really natter as I already showed that Randy Johnson is very clearly better than Nolan Ryan
Posted on 7/21/16 at 8:54 am to McCaigBro69
Pedro, Clemens, Maddux
Posted on 7/21/16 at 8:59 am to McCaigBro69
8x all star for how long he pitched is really nothing to applaud, just goes to show how mediocre he really was. He struck out tons of guys but give me clayton kershaw over him any day of the week nolan is beyond overrated and his career numbers will show you that. He just pitched a long long time, good pitcher but not even on that kershaw,pedro,randy level we've seen over the last 25 years
Posted on 7/21/16 at 9:12 am to dabigfella
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8x all star for how long he pitched is really nothing to applaud, just goes to show how mediocre he really was.
I mean an 8X all-star in current day is certainly nothing to brag about since they do the fan vote now.
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but not even on that kershaw,pedro,randy level we've seen over the last 25 years
I think it's nuts to just think that Nolan's career lasted longer than the time span you decided to use.
I do have one question, what if this back injury ruins Kershaw and he is never the same again? Would you still think that? I can't justify saying a guy who was elite for like 7-8 years but called it quits is better than someone who performed at a high level for 27-years like Nolan did.
I have no quarrels with anyone saying Randy Johnson or Pedro were better. They were both outstanding. I just find it laughable to say that Kershaw and Bum are better now when they could get hurt and never play again. They certainly wouldn't be inducted into the hall-of-fame if their careers ended before age 30.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 9:40 am to devils1854
Glavine pitched his arse off in the 95 World Series, he gets a pass from me
Posted on 7/21/16 at 9:41 am to McCaigBro69
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Would you still think that?
Ya because Kershaw's years right now are better than Ryan's best years cherry picked. Despite Ryan playing 3x as many seasons, they have the same amount of <3.0 ERA seasons. That is despite Ryan playing for an eternity.
Kershaw has more seasons of WAR >6, better SO/9, more Cy Young Awards and is a clealry more dominant pitcher.
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 9:42 am
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:00 am to GenesChin
I just refuse to believe that anyone would ever take Kershaw's possible 15-year career over Ryan's 27-year career of sub 3.20 ball.
It isn't fair at all to use this as a metric because Kershaw is in his prime. Those statistics will almost certainly begin to drop at least a tad when he reaches the last few seasons of his career.
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Kershaw has more seasons of WAR >6, better SO/9
It isn't fair at all to use this as a metric because Kershaw is in his prime. Those statistics will almost certainly begin to drop at least a tad when he reaches the last few seasons of his career.
This post was edited on 7/21/16 at 10:03 am
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:02 am to McCaigBro69
No, especially with the PED testing.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:09 am to McCaigBro69
quote:What does Kershaw being in his prime have to do with total seasons over 6 WAR?
It isn't fair at all to use this as a metric because Kershaw is in his prime.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 10:11 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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What does Kershaw being in his prime have to do with total seasons over 6 WAR?
Touche, I was talking more about the K/9 statistic.
Kershaw very well could end up being the GOAT and pitching sub 2.50 ball until he's 40, I have no freaking clue, I just don't think it's likely and like many pitchers, Ryan not included, they're stuff tends to regress towards the end.
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