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re: Phil Jackson: "LeBron needs to takeover like Michael did"
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:18 pm to genro
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:18 pm to genro
quote:
He's now to the point of saying that sports are only about the stats and scores, and any individual factor that leads to the stats and scores DO NOT EXIST.
no. it's more like i'm asking you to quantify these traits so that we can even have the discussion about them
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Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Correct and ironically you would be comfortable discussing dynamic and nebulous yet real and impactful aspects if you didn't have a personality quirk that requires all knowledge you accept to be wrapped up in a concise easy to understand little box
you're essentially arguing "i don't know what [concept] is exactly and i certainly don't know how [concept] works in a team context, but it's very important for [sport]"
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:19 pm to genro
quote:
So in Game 1 he proceeds to hit 6 first half 3's
Think about this for a second. This was a HUGE deal at the time for Jordan or any player to do this. Think about how normal that would be now with the volume shooters like Curry, Thompson, etc....
This is the current record holders...Top 3
Most 3-point field goals, one half
10 Chandler Parsons Jan 24, 2014 2nd Half
9 Deron Williams Mar 8, 2013 1st Half
9 Klay Thompson Jan 23, 2015 2nd Half
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:20 pm to Kracka
True and fair point, but didn't he have 35 points in the half too?
And also, I never woulda guessed 10 is the record for a half. Ever.
And also, I never woulda guessed 10 is the record for a half. Ever.
This post was edited on 6/7/16 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:this entire conversation began with me saying you want to dismiss it because it can't be quantified.
it's more like i'm asking you to quantify these traits so that we can even have the discussion about them
You're still demanding I quantify it or you will dismiss it
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
wasn't Kyrie in "the letter"?
my mistake, what I meant was if he had been excluded in The Letter like Wiggins and Bennett he would've been gone too.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:23 pm to genro
if you don't know what you're introducing into teh conversation, how can i know what it is?
and, more importantly, how can anyone even respond to you?
and, more importantly, how can anyone even respond to you?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:24 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:
"LeBron needs Prime Pippen to walk through that door."
So LeBron left a player who according to some on the MSB was better than Prime Pippen...
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:25 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:People really said that 32+ year old Wade was better than prime Pippen?
So LeBron left a player who according to some on the MSB was better than Prime Pippen...
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Jordan's personality is real, not simply a contrived mythology and matters.
if you don't know what you're introducing into teh conversation, how can i know what it is?
You disgreed.
This was our discussion
This is a weird tactic you're using now. It was pretty straightforward.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:31 pm to shel311
quote:
True and fair point, but didn't he have 35 points in the half too?
Yes he did. He finished with 39, so he cooled off quite a bit after the shrug. He did have 11 dimes to go with that.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:31 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:
So LeBron left a player who according to some on the MSB was better than Prime Pippen...
The biggest problem with playing with Wade was he didn't complement James's skill set at all.
Pippen complemented Jordan. Wade did not complement James.
One of the main reasons the Heat lost to the Mavs in the finals was for the exact reason.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
He didn't? How about that huge tramp stamp on his back?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:33 pm to genro
quote:
this entire conversation began with me saying you want to dismiss it because it can't be quantified
That's the thing with the mertics crowd-which's population doesn't even understand half of it.
Chemistry matters. It's not yet quantifiable and it frankly may never be, but it exists.
The secret to basketball is that it's not about basketball.
The Cavs are a mentally fragile team, as it seems. They were rolling. Yes, GSW is a great team, but Cleveland has stopped moving the ball like they were previously. They act like a switching defense is some sort of quantum physics on the court, even after their coach described it as a "junk defense"....The Cavs have seen this before, so how can they be so flustered by it that it takes them out of their game? Personality, chemistry, mental mindset....
I expect them to play better at home, but they have yet to show the toughness to compete...and that starts at the top.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:34 pm to The Human Fetus
quote:Any time you wanna come join us in 2016, feel free.
He didn't? How about that huge tramp stamp on his back?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:35 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:
One of the main reasons the Heat lost to the Mavs in the finals was for the exact reason.
That and Dirk channeling his inner 7ft version of Larry Bird.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:36 pm to shel311
quote:
People really said that 32+ year old Wade was better than prime Pippen?
absolutely...and Pippen in the second run was in his early 30s....that crowd points to metrics like PER to validate their opinion.
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:36 pm to RonBurgundy
The problem with using "intangibles," is you will let the end result decide what intangible you want to roll with
Brady is clutch for winning super bowl against Seahawks. If Butler doesn't make int(which has nothing to do with Brady), he isn't clutch
Brady is clutch for winning super bowl against Seahawks. If Butler doesn't make int(which has nothing to do with Brady), he isn't clutch
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:36 pm to The Human Fetus
quote:Again, no.
He didn't?
Posted on 6/7/16 at 12:37 pm to lsupride87
quote:Spurs are old!
The problem with using "intangibles," is you will let the end result decide what intangible you want to roll with
Spurs are so experienced!
Spurs are old!
Spurs are so experienced!
Spurs are old!
Spurs are so experienced!
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