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re: There are bad days and terrible days; 2 year old dead after being left in a car

Posted on 5/12/16 at 7:46 pm to
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59715 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 7:46 pm to
Is that trial done? Haven't heard much about it.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124963 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 7:46 pm to
Nosleep story
This post was edited on 5/12/16 at 7:47 pm
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 7:47 pm to
Mistakes were made.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129071 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 7:49 pm to
Yeah but many times these are truly tragic, horrible accidents.


Rear facing child seats...can't see the child so easily in the rearview mirror. Kids sleeping in car seats...don't hear them.


Like you said, all it takes is one thing out of their usual routine to throw things off. These incidents have happened to people of all walks of life as well. Think of how many times you are driving to work on basic autopilot and you don't even really remember the drive there. Same principle.



This has happened so much to people that they recommend parents leave something they will need(work ID, cell phone, purse, one of their shoes, whatever) always in the backseat. That way it is routine that they are checking the backseat once they get to work. They also recommend placing a stuffed animal in the child's carseat. And when the child is in the carseat...stuffed animal goes in front seat or on dash, take child out of seat...animal goes in seat. This way the parent associates that stuffed animal with their child being in the backseat.
This post was edited on 5/12/16 at 7:51 pm
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19566 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 7:50 pm to
quote:


I used to have a wave of panic when mine was little And for a split second j couldn't remember if I left them in the car.



Ours is almost two - I do pick up and not drop off at daycare. I hate even thinking about it. We've put a few checks in place to minimize any chance of something like that happen - even accidentally.
Posted by nc14
La Jolla
Member since Jan 2012
28193 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 7:51 pm to
Ah, not enough Louisiana backwoods news for you to post. PM in 3, 2, 1
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129071 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

We've put a few checks in place to minimize any chance of something like that happen - even accidentally.


Which is good. Many parents get in the mindset that "Oh I would NEVER let something like this happen" so they don't do such simple, basic things like I mentioned earlier. Truth is...it can happen to any parent...as many of these tragic stories have shown.
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
5457 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 7:54 pm to
quote:

So wait you didn't know there are complete pieces of shite in this world ?


Just like you
Posted by JombieZombie
Member since Nov 2009
7687 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 7:58 pm to
What raises the most suspicion - if a body is in a car few hours in the heat, you're definitely going to have signs and smells that indicate post-mortem. Even if you can't see them, you wouldn't be able to not notice the smell of a decomposing body in your backseat.
This post was edited on 5/12/16 at 8:00 pm
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33831 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:00 pm to
Checks are good. Sleep deprivation and routine can contribute to unthinkable errors. The only thing I question here is that not dropping the child off at day care was a break in her routine. Didn't she notice she was taking a different way to work that morning if she went straight from home instead of driving from day care?
Posted by BigSquirrel
Member since Jul 2013
1880 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:02 pm to
I hate to hear stories like these. If you've ever heard one of these stories, there's no excuse for it to happen, other than being a terrible parent. It sounds harsh, but it's the sad truth. No one came up and snatched this child while the parent was distracted, the baby didn't escape the house and get hit by a car, this is 100% preventable by the parent.

I often wonder if spouses ever work through these types of tragedies. I don't think I could, whether it was me being a total frickup or my wife, I don't think I could ever be around them again.
Posted by Dorothy
Munchkinland
Member since Oct 2008
18153 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

Somewhere on the internet, exists the most awful article in the world (by the Washington Post, I think) about completely normal, functioning people who've killed their kids in a similar fashion.


I think this is the one you're talking about.

Fatal Distraction

A long read, but worth it if you can make it through the whole thing.
Posted by Isabelle81
NEW ORLEANS, LA
Member since Sep 2015
2718 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:04 pm to
That is just beyond stupid. How is this possible???
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31961 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:04 pm to
Body won't decompose in 8 hrs to render a smell.
Posted by WW
Member since Dec 2013
2320 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:06 pm to
quote:

Have you ever forgotten your phone?

When did you realize you’d forgotten it? I’m guessing you didn’t just smack your forehead and exclaim ‘damn’ apropos of nothing. The realization probably didn’t dawn on you spontaneously. More likely, you reached for your phone, pawing open your pocket or handbag, and were momentarily confused by it not being there. Then you did a mental recap of the morning’s events.

shite.

In my case, my phone’s alarm woke me up as normal but I realized the battery was lower than I expected. It was a new phone and it had this annoying habit of leaving applications running that drain the battery overnight. So, I put it on to charge while I showered instead of into my bag like normal. It was a momentary slip from the routine but that was all it took. Once in the shower, my brain got back into ‘the routine’ it follows every morning and that was it.

Forgotten.

This wasn’t just me being clumsy, as I later researched; this is a recognized brain function. Your brain doesn’t work just on one level, it works on many. Like, when you’re walking somewhere, you think about your destination and avoiding hazards, but you don’t need to think about keeping your legs moving properly. If you did, the entire world would turn into one massive hilarious QWOP cosplay. I wasn’t thinking about regulating my breathing, I was thinking whether I should grab a coffee on the drive to work (I did). I wasn’t thinking about moving my breakfast through my intestines, I was wondering whether I’d finish on time to pick up my daughter Emily from the nursery after work or get stuck with another late fee. This is the thing; there’s a level of your brain that just deals with routine, so that the rest of the brain can think about other things.

Think about it. Think about your last commute. What do you actually remember? Probably little, if anything. Most common journeys blur into one, and recalling any one in particular is scientifically proven to be difficult. Do something often enough and it becomes routine. Keep doing it and it stops being processed by the thinking bit of the brain and gets relegated to a part of the brain dedicated to dealing with routine. Your brain keeps doing it, without you thinking about it. Soon, you think about your route to work as much as you do keeping your legs moving when you walk.

Most people call it autopilot. But there’s danger there. If you have a break in your routine, your ability to remember and account for the break is only as good as your ability to stop your brain going into routine mode. My ability to remember my phone being on the counter is only as reliable as my ability to stop my brain entering ‘morning routine mode’ which would dictate that my phone is actually in my bag. But I didn’t stop my brain entering routine mode. I got in the shower as normal. Routine started. Exception forgotten.

Autopilot engaged.

My brain was back in the routine. I showered, I shaved, the radio forecasted amazing weather, I gave Emily her breakfast and loaded her into the car (she was so adorable that morning, she complained about the ‘bad sun’ in the morning blinding her, saying it stopped her having a little sleep on the way to nursery) and left. That was the routine. It didn’t matter that my phone was on the counter, charging silently. My brain was in the routine and in the routine my phone was in my bag. This is why I forgot my phone. Not clumsiness. Not negligence. Nothing more my brain entering routine mode and over-writing the exception.

Autopilot engaged.

I left for work. It’s a swelteringly hot day already. The bad sun had been burning since before my traitorously absent phone woke me. The steering wheel was burning hot to the touch when I sat down. I think I heard Emily shift over behind my driver’s seat to get out of the glare. But I got to work. Submitted the report. Attended the morning meeting. It’s not until I took a quick coffee break and reached for my phone that the illusion shattered. I did a mental restep. I remembered the dying battery. I remembered putting it on to charge. I remembered leaving it there.

My phone was on the counter.

Autopilot disengaged.

Again, there lies the danger. Until you have that moment, the moment you reach for your phone and shatter the illusion, that part of the brain is still in routine mode. It has no reason to question the facts of the routine; that’s why it’s a routine. The act of repetition. It’s not as if anyone could say ‘why didn’t you remember your phone? Didn’t it occur to you? How could you forget? You must be negligent’; this is to miss the point. My brain was telling me the routine was completed as normal, despite the fact that it wasn’t. It wasn’t that I forgot my phone. According to my brain, according to the routine, my phone was in my bag. Why would I think to question it? Why would I check? Why would I suddenly remember, out of nowhere, that my phone was on the counter?

My brain was wired into the routine and the routine was that my phone was in my bag.

The day continued to bake. The morning haze gave way to the relentless fever heat of the afternoon. Tarmac bubbled. The direct beams of heat threatened to crack the pavement. People swapped coffees for iced smoothies. Jackets discarded, sleeves rolled up, ties loosened, brows mopped. The parks slowly filled with sunbathers and BBQ’s. Window frames threatened to warp. The thermometer continued to swell. Thank frick the offices were air-conditioned.

But, as ever, the furnace of the day gave way to a cooler evening. Another day, another dollar. Still cursing myself for forgetting my phone, I drove home. The day's heat had baked the inside of the car, releasing a horrible smell from somewhere. When I arrived on the driveway, the stones crunching comfortingly under my tires, my wife greeted me at the door.

“Where’s Emily?”

frick.

As if the phone wasn’t bad enough. After everything I’d left Emily at the fricking nursery after all. I immediately sped back to the nursery. I got to the door and started practicing my excuses, wondering vainly if I could charm my way out of a late fee. I saw a piece of paper stuck to the door.

“Due to vandalism overnight, please use side door. Today only.”

Overnight? What? The door was fine this morni-

I froze. My knees shook.

Vandals. A change in the routine.

My phone was on the counter.

I hadn’t been here this morning.

My phone was on the counter.

I’d driven past because I was drinking my coffee. I’d not dropped off Emily.

My phone was on the counter.

She’d moved her seat. I hadn’t seen her in the mirror.

My phone was on the counter.

She’d fallen asleep out of the bad sun. She didn’t speak when I drove past her nursery.

My phone was on the counter.

She’d changed the routine.

My phone was on the counter.

She’d changed the routine and I’d forgotten to drop her off.

My phone was on the counter.

Nine hours. That car. That baking sun. No air. No water. No power. No help. That heat. A steering wheel too hot to touch.

That smell.

I walked to the car door. Numb. Shock.

I opened the door.

My phone was on the counter and my daughter was dead.

Autopilot disengaged.

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111305 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:10 pm to
quote:

She will pay dearly for her mistake.
The kid is dead, FYI...
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111305 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:12 pm to
quote:

People are pricks about this sort of stuff
Only on the Internet.
Posted by CaptainsWafer
TD Platinum Member
Member since Feb 2006
58419 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:16 pm to
Never paid much attention to these threads before. Have a three month old now and this scares the bejesus out of me.
This post was edited on 5/12/16 at 8:16 pm
Posted by UNO
Member since Mar 2015
4961 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:17 pm to
quote:

Have you ever forgotten your phone?

When did you realize you’d forgotten it? I’m guessing you didn’t just smack your forehead and exclaim ‘damn’ apropos of nothing. The realization probably didn’t dawn on you spontaneously. More likely, you reached for your phone, pawing open your pocket or handbag, and were momentarily confused by it not being there. Then you did a mental recap of the morning’s events.

shite.

In my case, my phone’s alarm woke me up as normal but I realized the battery was lower than I expected. It was a new phone and it had this annoying habit of leaving applications running that drain the battery overnight. So, I put it on to charge while I showered instead of into my bag like normal. It was a momentary slip from the routine but that was all it took. Once in the shower, my brain got back into ‘the routine’ it follows every morning and that was it.

Forgotten.

This wasn’t just me being clumsy, as I later researched; this is a recognized brain function. Your brain doesn’t work just on one level, it works on many. Like, when you’re walking somewhere, you think about your destination and avoiding hazards, but you don’t need to think about keeping your legs moving properly. If you did, the entire world would turn into one massive hilarious QWOP cosplay. I wasn’t thinking about regulating my breathing, I was thinking whether I should grab a coffee on the drive to work (I did). I wasn’t thinking about moving my breakfast through my intestines, I was wondering whether I’d finish on time to pick up my daughter Emily from the nursery after work or get stuck with another late fee. This is the thing; there’s a level of your brain that just deals with routine, so that the rest of the brain can think about other things.

Think about it. Think about your last commute. What do you actually remember? Probably little, if anything. Most common journeys blur into one, and recalling any one in particular is scientifically proven to be difficult. Do something often enough and it becomes routine. Keep doing it and it stops being processed by the thinking bit of the brain and gets relegated to a part of the brain dedicated to dealing with routine. Your brain keeps doing it, without you thinking about it. Soon, you think about your route to work as much as you do keeping your legs moving when you walk.

Most people call it autopilot. But there’s danger there. If you have a break in your routine, your ability to remember and account for the break is only as good as your ability to stop your brain going into routine mode. My ability to remember my phone being on the counter is only as reliable as my ability to stop my brain entering ‘morning routine mode’ which would dictate that my phone is actually in my bag. But I didn’t stop my brain entering routine mode. I got in the shower as normal. Routine started. Exception forgotten.

Autopilot engaged.

My brain was back in the routine. I showered, I shaved, the radio forecasted amazing weather, I gave Emily her breakfast and loaded her into the car (she was so adorable that morning, she complained about the ‘bad sun’ in the morning blinding her, saying it stopped her having a little sleep on the way to nursery) and left. That was the routine. It didn’t matter that my phone was on the counter, charging silently. My brain was in the routine and in the routine my phone was in my bag. This is why I forgot my phone. Not clumsiness. Not negligence. Nothing more my brain entering routine mode and over-writing the exception.

Autopilot engaged.

I left for work. It’s a swelteringly hot day already. The bad sun had been burning since before my traitorously absent phone woke me. The steering wheel was burning hot to the touch when I sat down. I think I heard Emily shift over behind my driver’s seat to get out of the glare. But I got to work. Submitted the report. Attended the morning meeting. It’s not until I took a quick coffee break and reached for my phone that the illusion shattered. I did a mental restep. I remembered the dying battery. I remembered putting it on to charge. I remembered leaving it there.

My phone was on the counter.

Autopilot disengaged.

Again, there lies the danger. Until you have that moment, the moment you reach for your phone and shatter the illusion, that part of the brain is still in routine mode. It has no reason to question the facts of the routine; that’s why it’s a routine. The act of repetition. It’s not as if anyone could say ‘why didn’t you remember your phone? Didn’t it occur to you? How could you forget? You must be negligent’; this is to miss the point. My brain was telling me the routine was completed as normal, despite the fact that it wasn’t. It wasn’t that I forgot my phone. According to my brain, according to the routine, my phone was in my bag. Why would I think to question it? Why would I check? Why would I suddenly remember, out of nowhere, that my phone was on the counter?

My brain was wired into the routine and the routine was that my phone was in my bag.

The day continued to bake. The morning haze gave way to the relentless fever heat of the afternoon. Tarmac bubbled. The direct beams of heat threatened to crack the pavement. People swapped coffees for iced smoothies. Jackets discarded, sleeves rolled up, ties loosened, brows mopped. The parks slowly filled with sunbathers and BBQ’s. Window frames threatened to warp. The thermometer continued to swell. Thank frick the offices were air-conditioned.

But, as ever, the furnace of the day gave way to a cooler evening. Another day, another dollar. Still cursing myself for forgetting my phone, I drove home. The day's heat had baked the inside of the car, releasing a horrible smell from somewhere. When I arrived on the driveway, the stones crunching comfortingly under my tires, my wife greeted me at the door.

“Where’s Emily?”

frick.

As if the phone wasn’t bad enough. After everything I’d left Emily at the fricking nursery after all. I immediately sped back to the nursery. I got to the door and started practicing my excuses, wondering vainly if I could charm my way out of a late fee. I saw a piece of paper stuck to the door.

“Due to vandalism overnight, please use side door. Today only.”

Overnight? What? The door was fine this morni-

I froze. My knees shook.

Vandals. A change in the routine.

My phone was on the counter.

I hadn’t been here this morning.

My phone was on the counter.

I’d driven past because I was drinking my coffee. I’d not dropped off Emily.

My phone was on the counter.

She’d moved her seat. I hadn’t seen her in the mirror.

My phone was on the counter.

She’d fallen asleep out of the bad sun. She didn’t speak when I drove past her nursery.

My phone was on the counter.

She’d changed the routine.

My phone was on the counter.

She’d changed the routine and I’d forgotten to drop her off.

My phone was on the counter.

Nine hours. That car. That baking sun. No air. No water. No power. No help. That heat. A steering wheel too hot to touch.

That smell.

I walked to the car door. Numb. Shock.

I opened the door.

My phone was on the counter and my daughter was dead.

Autopilot disengaged.


only a baby boomer or a gen x would leave home without routinely checking to see if they have their phone.
This post was edited on 5/12/16 at 8:19 pm
Posted by tigerbandpiccolo
Member since Oct 2005
49284 posts
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:17 pm to
We do the same thing. Have a two year old and most mornings lI get a text from husband that says have a good day, love you, TBDO. Acronym that our son is dropped safely. Daily alarm goes on our phone by 9 am to make sure we've rec'd the text (depending on who dropped off that day).

Luckily we don't have much of a routine due to our jobs being so unpredictable, but after watching the (simulated) video of a child dying in a car when my son was a few days old I couldn't even fathom the thought of accidentally having that happen to us. Made me sick. And I got wrapped up in the case of the POS from Georgia (bama fan) who murdered his son that way. Has he been convicted yet?
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