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re: Roy King is suing LSU
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:41 pm to Rouge
Posted on 5/11/16 at 1:41 pm to Rouge
You still have no point. Are you really suggesting that the majority of the Marching band are music majors? Are you making your theories up as you go along?
LSU has a premium Music program and has for years. Guest artists on board to get PhD's at LSU. It isn't going anywhere.
LSU has a premium Music program and has for years. Guest artists on board to get PhD's at LSU. It isn't going anywhere.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 2:39 pm to LSURoadEngr
I am suggesting that music program is one of the welfare mommas of the university
Tough cuts hurt. I am one of these jerk in mr. Holland ' s Opus
Tough cuts hurt. I am one of these jerk in mr. Holland ' s Opus
Posted on 5/11/16 at 2:39 pm to LSURoadEngr
I am suggesting that music program is one of the welfare mommas of the university
Tough cuts hurt. I am one of these jerk in mr. Holland ' s Opus
Tough cuts hurt. I am one of these jerk in mr. Holland ' s Opus
Posted on 5/11/16 at 3:20 pm to Rouge
LSU isn't a low budget high school in a low population rural area Mr. Holland's jerk. Nothing you say will ever justify your ignorant self-satisfying comments. Go open up your own university and disallow a music program if you feel so strongly about it. Despite what you want to believe, most of the music you listen to on your MP3 player your parents bought you comes from formally taught musicians to some extent.
Again, I'm sorry. Maybe the next appointed marching band director will allow you to march in their band.
Again, I'm sorry. Maybe the next appointed marching band director will allow you to march in their band.
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 5/11/16 at 4:47 pm to catholictigerfan
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you guys didn't read my post, I said that I know people in the SOM, but even the average professor won't know everything going on. I personally don't remember the stories (I wasn't told much anyway) and they really don't matter now because everything is public, but there was talk about this in the fall and they were waiting for the athletic bands to finish out.
Well, actually, we DID read your post, and this is what you said:
"Roy King was doing some bad stuff that was going to get him fired eventually, LSU just waited till now to do it."
There was no qualifier attached to this. You didn't say that "I suspect that . . ." or "There's a possibility that . . ." or even "I've been told that . . ." No siree, your statement leaves no room for speculation. You acted as though you KNOW there was bad stuff going on. But NOW you offer us this weak-assed excuse.
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But all I was passing on was that they knew about this stuff is the fall, I don't know specific details, because 1) It doesn't directly affect me, 2) it was none of my business to know the specifics.
If you're going to make vague and suggestive statements about knowing that someone was "doing bad stuff" you had best be prepared to back them up with facts. If you can't do that, you need to let everyone know the truth: that you don't really know anything, but you're more than happy to spread rumors and innuendo with the intent of smearing someone's character. If it were me, I think I'd be concerned that I might find myself looking down the business end of a libel suit.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 4:58 pm to catholictigerfan
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whether this is a money grab or not, it doesn't disprove the allegations made against Roy King, if he directly disobeyed his superiors than he should be fired.
In the statement put out by the LSU "investigators" there was only one allegation that Roy "directly disobeyed" his superiors, and that is so flimsy as to be laughable. Either you don't know what you're talking about (yet again) or you're just trying to smear Roy (yet again).
Posted on 5/11/16 at 5:18 pm to catholictigerfan
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you have no idea what you are talking. LSU is a solid school of music and is one of the best in the country. You will not find near the level of talent in other smaller liberal arts schools. The simple fact that LSU hires Eastman graduates is a sign that they are a top tier school. (There may be more but I know of at-least 3 professors who have a doctorate from Eastman School of music, which is maybe the top music school in the country.)
I don't know where LSU ranks in terms of music schools but it is up there.
Look, I am a proud graduate of the LSU School of Music. You're right that it is a "solid" institution, but I think it's a stretch to suggest that it's one of the best in the country (and that has nothing to do with what's going on with Roy and Tiger Band). That is not to say there are not good things going on at LSU, and I know for a fact that there are some excellent faculty members and students in the SOM.
I don't know why you're so focused on Eastman graduates. Sure, some very good people come out of there, and it is considered an upper tier school, but their graduates are working all over the country, in schools of all sizes and qualities. Believe me, they are just happy to have jobs in their field, like the rest of us in academia. Hate to tell you this, but there is no special cachet that comes from having a couple of Eastman grads on your faculty, or graduates from Indiana, Michigan, or any other top notch school, just as it is no knock to have a faculty member from a lesser known program. The degree means only so much.
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 5/11/16 at 5:56 pm to Rouge
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I am suggesting that music program is one of the welfare mommas of the university
Tough cuts hurt. I am one of these jerk in mr. Holland ' s Opus
If the music program (and any other liberal arts program) wasn't totally cut out years ago when the economy was in the toilet, it won't be cut now. There may be a few smaller cuts here and there, but sorry, it's not going away.
Besides that...the "80% non-music major" statistic is pretty close for Tiger Band. I was part of this statistic myself for 5 years.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:13 pm to Jet12
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Besides that...the "80% non-music major" statistic is pretty close for Tiger Band. I was part of this statistic myself for 5 years.
4 years for me; chemical engineering major.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:55 pm to Jet12
:bow:
Absolutely correct about the funding argument.
Thanks for posting this about the ratio of non-music major marching band members. Several Engineers, doctors, lawyers, and pilots, etc. were also former members of Tiger Band.
Absolutely correct about the funding argument.
Thanks for posting this about the ratio of non-music major marching band members. Several Engineers, doctors, lawyers, and pilots, etc. were also former members of Tiger Band.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 7:26 pm to LSURoadEngr
That's what makes tigerband so awesome. Students come from all majors and careers to make such a great organization.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:53 pm to catholictigerfan
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let me say one last thing, I'm like 1 against 100 in agreeing with the Roy Firing.
The SOM has really been struggling with money, I know this personally and it's probably not that hard to figure out just by doing some slight digging. If tiger band can help keep the SOM afloat I say good. Keep in mind no SOM no tigerband, sure they are separate budgets, but without the SOM there is no way you have a tigerband. So more money to the SOM is a good thing.
but again I believe the reports found in the audit are true and are something that tells me he needed to be fired.
That isn't true. The cadet band Preceded the SOM. TV does not need the SOM to survive. When I was at LSU, the SOM didn't need TBto survive, either. However, during these times, not only does the SOM need TB, it also needs some ot funds, which is why they tried to black male Roy into redirecting some of the donor funds.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:57 pm to catholictigerfan
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do you get musicians to play in tiger band if there is no school of music? Sure you could have tiger band but it's quality would drop drastically.
You truly have no clue what you're talking about. The vast majority of TB members major in in areas non-music related. They just happen to enjoy music and football. Being a part of TGBFTL is viewed as a huge goal by HS bandsmen, even if they don't want to major in music.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:01 pm to catholictigerfan
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you have no idea what you are talking. LSU is a solid school of music and is one of the best in the country. You will not find near the level of talent in other smaller liberal arts schools. The simple fact that LSU hires Eastman graduates is a sign that they are a top tier school. (There may be more but I know of at-least 3 professors who have a doctorate from Eastman School of music, which is maybe the top music school in the country.)
I don't know where LSU ranks in terms of music schools but it is up there.
LSUs SOM was (key word) one of the best in the country. When I was there, the number of students in the SOM was over 400. Now it's barely 100. Which is where the financial issue affects it. They no longer have the student base to support the number of staff members on payroll. This is part of the reason they want control of the TB funds.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 9:08 pm to Sir Fury
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LSUs SOM was (key word) one of the best in the country. When I was there, the number of students in the SOM was over 400. Now it's barely 100. Which is where the financial issue affects it. They no longer have the student base to support the number of staff members on payroll. This is part of the reason they want control of the TB funds.
Now we're getting somewhere.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 7:49 am to Red Stick Tigress
Looks like there are some folks who have recently joined this thread and are rehashing - which is a good thing, really.
Anyone who has been following the bouncing ball (following reporting, reading documents, and -in some cases, perhaps- communicating with named players in this saga) knows that:
1. This situation is trumped-up BS in an effort to gain control of a considerable amount of funds ($1.5MM/yr. according to one court document). Whether or not Roy King is competent to be TGBFTL director or whether TGBFTL is performing to some imaginary or proscribed level is just a side show meant to distract.
2. The vast majority of the funding over which this fight is obviously about comes from donors -directly or indirectly- who support football game day events and traditions. This is not a group that, by definition, will necessarily be convinced that their contributed monies are just as well spent on a much-needed bassoonist or a soprano vocal major (even if she's really hot). Colorado is not even in the same hemisphere when it comes to college football fans so, whatever TQ 'accomplished' there will certainly not apply at LSU. Bottom line: these much sought-after funds will significantly dry up if not used for their intended purpose. Bunch of dadgum morons who can't see that.
3. An Opinion: I'm not convinced that the actual band members are heavily invested or educated in this story. After all, it has been timed to coincide with the end of the school year, which has involved finals and move out plans. That's going to be pretty much the focus for the majority of TGBFTL members. Therefore, I would be very surprised to see any action from that group coalescing next fall, or at least from that group in its entirety.
Anyone who has been following the bouncing ball (following reporting, reading documents, and -in some cases, perhaps- communicating with named players in this saga) knows that:
1. This situation is trumped-up BS in an effort to gain control of a considerable amount of funds ($1.5MM/yr. according to one court document). Whether or not Roy King is competent to be TGBFTL director or whether TGBFTL is performing to some imaginary or proscribed level is just a side show meant to distract.
2. The vast majority of the funding over which this fight is obviously about comes from donors -directly or indirectly- who support football game day events and traditions. This is not a group that, by definition, will necessarily be convinced that their contributed monies are just as well spent on a much-needed bassoonist or a soprano vocal major (even if she's really hot). Colorado is not even in the same hemisphere when it comes to college football fans so, whatever TQ 'accomplished' there will certainly not apply at LSU. Bottom line: these much sought-after funds will significantly dry up if not used for their intended purpose. Bunch of dadgum morons who can't see that.
3. An Opinion: I'm not convinced that the actual band members are heavily invested or educated in this story. After all, it has been timed to coincide with the end of the school year, which has involved finals and move out plans. That's going to be pretty much the focus for the majority of TGBFTL members. Therefore, I would be very surprised to see any action from that group coalescing next fall, or at least from that group in its entirety.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 12:09 pm to Knight of Old
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After all, it has been timed to coincide with the end of the school year, which has involved finals and move out plans.
The SOM is counting on people being distracted plus hoping time will make all the criticism go away. People in general have short memories and focus. This all plays into the SOM plans to pull this sham off.
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