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re: US Navy's new destroyer is impressive
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:54 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:54 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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The whole procurement process for government contracts breeds astronomical costs for otherwise standard commercial shite.
Oh, the stories I could tell you...
I can only speak from experience with the AF, but typically the actual "thing" you are buying only costs about 30-40% of the total costs of the acquisitions program. There's an epic shitload of overhead and other government waste from outdated, bureaucratic process.
To compound this, those same bureaucratic processes and rules have made it where certain vendors have a corner on the market for some things. This allows them to charge through the teeth for things they know we need. Dual-edged sword and we are fricked on both sides of it.
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:47 pm to Darth_Vader
WOW! That thing is gorgeous. Literally a wet dream.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:57 pm to Darth_Vader
My nephew operates this much smaller stealth boat.
It's a Sealion2.
It's a Sealion2.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:01 pm to FlyingTiger06
Yep. Its extremely frustrating when you hear them say "we don't care how much it costs. We need X, even though we can't present a realistic scenario where we would actually need X"
Mother fricker that's some of my money you're pissing away on this dumb shite.
Mother fricker that's some of my money you're pissing away on this dumb shite.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:04 pm to Darth_Vader
My nephew helped build it at Bath Iron Works, him and a couple other tiger grads.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:07 pm to Nado Jenkins83
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:08 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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We need X, even though we can't present a realistic scenario where we would actually need X
Oh, I'm even referring to the cases where you can absolutely show the need for the thing/widget. Some of it is that our acquisitions community has gotten desensitized to dollar figures. When you hear someone say, "oh that's just a few million dollars off" or "well, as long as it doesn't cost more than $10 million dollars it is no big deal" you know there's a problem.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:09 pm to LSUBoo
And I salute you , sir!
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:14 pm to FlyingTiger06
They are definitely very desensitized to dollars.
The capability those kind of dollars get you is incredible, but you could get colossal reductions in price for some very simple changes.
I bet the PTS for the coffee makers on that boat was 150 pages with 24 references citing 94721 standards and mil-specs.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:08 am to Darth_Vader
Aren't we only building like two of those things?
Nice capabilities on paper, but you gotta question the strategic value of them.....
Nice capabilities on paper, but you gotta question the strategic value of them.....
Posted on 4/13/16 at 1:45 am to Darth_Vader
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USS Zumwalt
Headed by a Captain James Kirk, no less.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 3:13 am to Darth_Vader
Mother Russia you better beware.....
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:01 am to asurob1
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I love me some navy but a 4 billion dollar destroyer ...given our current environment of having zero enemies who can even consider taking on our navy.
1. Not even sure how true that is.
2.You'd rather be behind than ahead?
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