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re: Cobain vs Grohl
Posted on 3/26/16 at 8:40 pm to TFTC
Posted on 3/26/16 at 8:40 pm to TFTC
Regardless of if Nirvana killed hair metal off and if they were less "talented" than those glam bands there music has stood the test of time in a much better way. Today 90s rock is followed much more through many age groups than almost anything from the 80s with the exceptions of classic hits. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone younger than 35 who truly likes 80s rock through and through.
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Posted on 3/26/16 at 8:42 pm to urinetrouble
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Cobain was 100x the songwriter and musician that Grohl will be ever be. Cobain was probably a better drummer too.
I'm not saying that's crazy because I don't know this to be a fact (better drummer) but I would have to see tape of Cobain drumming to believe it. Sure, Grohl is no Bernard Purdie, but for what Nirvana was doing, I thought he did a fine job. Which brings me to another question..........when did drummers become the best musicians in a band? (excluding Nirvana)
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:02 pm to geauxbrown
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when did drummers become the best musicians in a band?
Little known band named Rush
Posted on 3/27/16 at 7:45 am to ErectileReptile
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Little known band named Rush
Tommy Lee and Motley Crew would be another. There have always been a few bands out there where this was the case, however it seems that in the 90's this may have become the norm. Sevindust, Slipnot and others.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 9:28 am to urinetrouble
Cobain wasn't a very good musician. You can make the case he's a better songwriter, but that's subjective.
I understand their impact on music, but as a far as the quality of their music, I think they're overrated.
I understand their impact on music, but as a far as the quality of their music, I think they're overrated.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 9:29 am to geauxbrown
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Cobain was 100x the songwriter and musician that Grohl will be ever be. Cobain was probably a better drummer too.
As already mentioned, I'd have to see proof of Cobain drumming. either a tape or audio that Grohl and Novaselic confirmed was Cobain drumming.
100x the songwriter.... Absolutely.
Musician? We will never know. His wheels came off and he killed himself. His guitar playing was just OK and effects driven. Also, purposely imperfect. Kind of like Neil Young. I don't know how good of a guitarist Young is. Nobody will, and he could give two shits. He's gonna play his way.
We know Grohl is a good drummer. He can write songs (not better than cobain), he can play guitar, and can sing. The last 2 we will never know who was better. Cobain and grohl both were not trying to be too technical in their guitar playing and not too perfect vocally.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 9:43 am to Jim Rockford
One made interesting, raw, and punk inspired music.
The other is a commercially oriented self promoter who's been exploiting his connection to the first one for 20 years.
The other is a commercially oriented self promoter who's been exploiting his connection to the first one for 20 years.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 7:58 pm to Jim Rockford
The wrong one died.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:44 pm to ErectileReptile
80's rock really falls into about 3 main categories:
Hair metal: Motley Krewe, Def Leppard, Twisted Sister
Punk rock: Black Flag, The Ramones
Power metal: Iron Maiden, Rush, Metallica
I know a lot of people who prefer Power Metal over grunge. Punk rock had then and still has promarily a cult following. Drunk women still love hair metal.
90's rock divisions:
Grunge: Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, STP
College Rock: Better Than Ezra, Harvey Danger, Oasis
Pop Punk: Blink 182, Green Day, Yellowcard, New Found Glory
Hair metal: Motley Krewe, Def Leppard, Twisted Sister
Punk rock: Black Flag, The Ramones
Power metal: Iron Maiden, Rush, Metallica
I know a lot of people who prefer Power Metal over grunge. Punk rock had then and still has promarily a cult following. Drunk women still love hair metal.
90's rock divisions:
Grunge: Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, STP
College Rock: Better Than Ezra, Harvey Danger, Oasis
Pop Punk: Blink 182, Green Day, Yellowcard, New Found Glory
Posted on 3/27/16 at 11:11 pm to Dire Wolf
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Where cobain resented their success.
I believe like Neil Peart, he resented the fact that fans held them in such high esteem. Some kind of social disconnect.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 11:15 pm to kingbob
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Nirvana was great because they were grit in a sea of glitter. The problem was, women didn't like grit. You can't dance to grit. When all rock, succumbed to the grit, the women flocked to the one remaining genre they could dance to, hip hop. Grunge didn't make guys feel like badasses, so guys followed the girls. Hip hop and generic pop slowly replaced rock in the mainstream consciousness.
I disappeared from music for a few years and was lost until about 1992. I appreciated Nirvana and Pearl Jam I heard, as it was gritty music about something a little deeper than the party rock of the hair band era. This was before internet access to music was widely available and Radio was still the main media for most folks at the time.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 7:54 am to kingbob
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Hair metal: Motley Krewe, Def Leppard, Twisted Sister
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Power metal: Iron Maiden, Rush, Metallica
I don't want to get into a whole genre discussion, but clearly Rush was more of a hard rock act than any sort of metal. Def Leppard wasn't really hair metal, either. They were a NWOBHM (along with Iron Maiden and Judas Priest, among others), and went mainstream after partnering up with Mutt Lange.
But, Rush has almost nothing in common with Iron Maiden or Metallica - both of which had quite the hard edge. Rush has been around almost 50 years - folks forget that they're almost 1 part progressive rock, 1 part "hard rock".
As far as your 90s divisions - I won't quibble beyond suggesting that AIC is much more of a traditional heavy metal act - they predate grunge and only really share the Pacific Northwest (and some basic musical roots) with the traditional grunge acts.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:03 am to kingbob
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80's rock really falls into about 3 main categories: Hair metal: Motley Krewe, Def Leppard, Twisted Sister Punk rock: Black Flag, The Ramones Power metal: Iron Maiden, Rush, Metallica I know a lot of people who prefer Power Metal over grunge. Punk rock had then and still has promarily a cult following. Drunk women still love hair metal. 90's rock divisions: Grunge: Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, STP College Rock: Better Than Ezra, Harvey Danger, Oasis Pop Punk: Blink 182, Green Day, Yellowcard, New Found Glory
This is one of the most inaccurate and cringe inducing posts I've read on here.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:46 am to Ace Midnight
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Def Leppard wasn't really hair metal, either. They were a NWOBHM (along with Iron Maiden and Judas Priest, among others),
Oh man, its cool you like DL but they have zero in common with Iron Maiden or Judas Priest.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 10:47 am to urinetrouble
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Cobain was 100x the songwriter and musician that Grohl will be ever be.
Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:01 am to Lakeboy7
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Oh man, its cool you like DL but they have zero in common with Iron Maiden or Judas Priest.
High N Dry was a solid NWOBHM album. The background vocals were a little cleaner and more layered, but guitar wise, it was a twin guitar lead, and the Clark/Willis combo was definitely metal. Collen is more glam/hard rock. Campbell is a legit metal guitarist, but the material hasn't been there since he's been in the band.
It is what it is, but they started out as a heavy metal act, and not of the "big hair" variety, either. Only Sav ever had anything like "big" hair, and it was just naturally that way. If Steve had a beard, he could have been an Allman Brother (by looks). Rick kept his hair short, mostly - and Joe, while he went a little girly at times, ranged from 70s hair, white boy fro and Prince Valiant, but never all teased up.
Their polished sound influenced the hair metal genre after Pyromania, but they weren't "hair metal" - no more than Van Halen was, just for the record.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 11:02 am
Posted on 3/28/16 at 11:49 am to kingbob
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Pop Punk: Blink 182, Green Day, Yellowcard, New Found Glory
Of those, only green day were really in the 90s.
shite, NFG was like 2005ish and god did they suck. I'm glad that brief moment of shite "punk" on the radio is over.
ETA: Went back and looked... NFG hit it big between 2003-2005, and Yellowcard between 2004-2006.
If im willing to bet, Blink was around 2000-2002 when they came onto the scene big. Could be wround about them though.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 11:55 am
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:15 pm to Lakeboy7
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Oh man, its cool you like DL but they have zero in common with Iron Maiden or Judas Priest.
When Def Leppard came on the scene, they had a chance to be in that discussion. High n Dry was pretty damn solid, I was very disappointed with the subsequent albums.
Switch 625
Posted on 3/28/16 at 1:22 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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f im willing to bet, Blink was around 2000-2002 when they came onto the scene big
Dammit came out in 1997
Posted on 3/28/16 at 5:01 pm to kingbob
How did that album compare to the next few? No idea, i was 9 in 1997.
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