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Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:16 pm to tzimme4
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But that's not happening. So what else do you want
Cool. What are the Powerball numbers?
I've been a Dell supporter for a long time, but its time to pull the plug. He has had 6 years and has failed.
What, in your opinion, is grounds to fire an NBA GM. When would it be appropriate for the Pelicans to do it? Never? 6 years not enough time? How about 10? 15?
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:16 pm to tzimme4
Just like the Saints would never draft a WR under 6' in the 1st round, and Brandon Coleman was going to outproduce Marques Colston in 2015?
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:17 pm to mm2316
Colston is getting cut...but that's another topic
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:18 pm to Fun Bunch
You know the Pelicans could use someone like you in their front office. Let me get you their number
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:18 pm to mm2316
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Just like the Saints would never draft a WR under 6' in the 1st round, and Brandon Coleman was going to outproduce Marques Colston in 2015?
I love this dude's past post history.
Stick to doing football analysis poorly.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:20 pm to tzimme4
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Colston is getting cut...
Right, and he still outproduced Coleman last year.
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but that's another topic
Back to your wonderful Pelicans' analysis.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:22 pm to tzimme4
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You know the Pelicans could use someone like you in their front office. Let me get you their number
Please do. My job will be easy. I'll sit back and make the hard calls like "Fire the guy that has produced nothing over 6 years, and hire the Assistant GM of one of the best teams in NBA history". There, they have consulted me, for free.
I'll leave all the hard stuff to the new GM.
Fire Mediocre GM
Hire Good GM
????
Profit
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:23 pm to tzimme4
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But that's not happening. So what else do you want
I'll take JVG or Thibs instead, but that's something there's a real obstacle to, Gentry has 2 guaranteed years left on his deal. Can you tell me how long Demps extension was and whether the extension is a team option, basically giving him another year of the same set up he had before? Because until someone can actually answer that we don't know the cost of cutting ties with Demps.
Can you tell me how bad renewals are going? It sounds like not well. Will drafting 9th excite the fans enough to come back?
I do agree that the guy that bet on Demps probably isn't ready to admit a mistake so soon, and if they get lucky enough to win the lottery, Simmons or Ingram might excite the fans enough to get ticket sales going again. So until the lottery occurs we don't know how much external pressure there will be for change. But I just don't see why people think the internal pressure to keep Demps will be stronger than the external pressure to change something if we stay on this path and end up picking 7-9.
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:26 pm to TigerinATL
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Gentry has 2 guaranteed years left on his deal.
There's no way Gentry gets fired. Benson isn't picking up that money. The GM is another story, as you said we have no clue what the consequences are for letting him go. I have to think they are small, I simply cannot believe that Loomis and Co are that stupid.
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I do agree that the guy that bet on Demps probably isn't ready to admit a mistake so soon, and if they get lucky enough to win the lottery, Simmons or Ingram might excite the fans enough to get ticket sales going again. So until the lottery occurs we don't know how much external pressure there will be for change. But I just don't see why people think the internal pressure to keep Demps will be stronger than the external pressure to change something if we stay on this path and end up picking 7-9.
I do agree that winning the lottery is a wildcard in all of this. If we get a top 2 pick I can see Demps getting a reprieve year.
If we are smart and are going to cut ties, its going to happen right after the regular season is over and before the lottery anyway.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 2:43 pm to tzimme4
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But that's not happening. So what else do you want
I spoke to this two pages ago, but i'll re-state it as a question this time.
What gives you this certainty of confidence? You assert to the safety of Demps job as if it is a guarantee and a foregone conclusion he will be retained, why?
We just got over a trade deadline where it was leaked by reputable sources that Demps was handicapped and there was uncertainty who was in charge. Do we just ignore this piece of info? How do we square that with the notion Demps job is absolutely safe? From my end, based on what I have read and can reasonably infer, the relationship seems incredibly rocky at a minimum.
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 3:12 pm to Fun Bunch
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Cool. What are the Powerball numbers?
I've been a Dell supporter for a long time, but its time to pull the plug. He has had 6 years and has failed.
What, in your opinion, is grounds to fire an NBA GM. When would it be appropriate for the Pelicans to do it? Never? 6 years not enough time? How about 10? 15?
This past offseason was the first time he legit pissed me off. How he gave both Asik AND Ajinca those deals is beyond me. He managed two untradeable contracts (without having to give up assets to get rid of them) at the most ridiculous position in the league in the same offseason...the "big who can spell our stretch 5 for 20 minutes". I get the Asik signing. But the Ajinca 4 year/20 mil to compliment it was just beyond any level of comprehension. Not to mention he got in a bidding war with his own damn self for both of them.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 3:17 pm to ShamelessPel
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He managed two untradeable contracts (without having to give up assets to get rid of them) at the most ridiculous position in the league in the same offseason
Interesting thoughts from 42 on the BSS podcast this week. He's stated for years that he felt Ryno and Tyreke were acquired with the intention of flipping them later for value, so 42 viewed the trade deadline as a big failure on the original, admittedly assumed, goal of acquiring Ryno. Tyreke falls into the same category and unless I'm completely wrong about the market for him, cap space and a 2nd is the best you can get. Another possibly big misread of where the market was going.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 4:08 pm to TigerinATL
Teams weren't going to trade for Anderson or Tyreke when
1) Teams can just add Anderson this free agent period instead of giving draft picks/players away. Higher cap space to overpay players.
2) Majority of teams have conceded the NBA title to the Warriors, Spurs and Cavs. That's why you didn't see many moves. They're just wait till free agency to improve their teams instead of paying for a rental.
3)Tyreke being injured definitely hurt his trade value. So what Demps wanted in return probably wasn't close to what he got offered
1) Teams can just add Anderson this free agent period instead of giving draft picks/players away. Higher cap space to overpay players.
2) Majority of teams have conceded the NBA title to the Warriors, Spurs and Cavs. That's why you didn't see many moves. They're just wait till free agency to improve their teams instead of paying for a rental.
3)Tyreke being injured definitely hurt his trade value. So what Demps wanted in return probably wasn't close to what he got offered
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 4:23 pm to tzimme4
42 was talking about failure to trade him at any time during his 4 years here. If that was indeed their plan then by definition they either failed or changed their mind on Ryno's long term value to the team.
Zach Lowe has been saying that the way the new CBA has set things up, June and July is when the action happens now. I'm not quite sure what he's referring to but he's said it multiple times. I guess it's the devaluation of expiring contracts which used to be the bread and butter of the trade deadline.
I think what Demps wants in return for Tyreke will always be greater than the market. I doubt Demps signed Tyreke thinking his value would possibly be less than he got for Ish. Another part of why I think he needs to be replaced. Demps has more invested in Tyreke than any other player, would he be willing to cut his losses if that's what's best for the team?
I've been one of Demps' biggest defenders on this board until the Asik contract. That's where he lost me, and even if he's got the greatest team building IQ in the league, I think he's got enough investment in the current roster to cloud his judgement and would prefer someone without those attachments. I also think his seat is much hotter than the people that think he's for sure coming back, and if you add a hot seat to his personal investment in the roster, I just find it hard to believe he's the best decision maker we can have at the helm.
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Majority of teams have conceded the NBA title to the Warriors, Spurs and Cavs. That's why you didn't see many moves. They're just wait till free agency to improve their teams instead of paying for a rental.
Zach Lowe has been saying that the way the new CBA has set things up, June and July is when the action happens now. I'm not quite sure what he's referring to but he's said it multiple times. I guess it's the devaluation of expiring contracts which used to be the bread and butter of the trade deadline.
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what Demps wanted in return probably wasn't close to what he got offered
I think what Demps wants in return for Tyreke will always be greater than the market. I doubt Demps signed Tyreke thinking his value would possibly be less than he got for Ish. Another part of why I think he needs to be replaced. Demps has more invested in Tyreke than any other player, would he be willing to cut his losses if that's what's best for the team?
I've been one of Demps' biggest defenders on this board until the Asik contract. That's where he lost me, and even if he's got the greatest team building IQ in the league, I think he's got enough investment in the current roster to cloud his judgement and would prefer someone without those attachments. I also think his seat is much hotter than the people that think he's for sure coming back, and if you add a hot seat to his personal investment in the roster, I just find it hard to believe he's the best decision maker we can have at the helm.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 4:49 pm to tzimme4
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So what's your solution?
Voice my displeasure with him and hope that he gets fired for the good of the franchise. Your argument is stupid.
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but can they improve and become a better team with the right players yeah.
Lol, if we could bring 1987 Jordan in we may win a championship, too.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 4:55 pm to TigerinATL
IMO, it's not complicated.
If this team somehow manages a respectable finish (however that's defined), Demps gets another year. If this roster shits the bed the rest of the season, he gone.
If this team somehow manages a respectable finish (however that's defined), Demps gets another year. If this roster shits the bed the rest of the season, he gone.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 5:39 pm to TigerinATL
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Interesting thoughts from 42 on the BSS podcast this week. He's stated for years that he felt Ryno and Tyreke were acquired with the intention of flipping them later for value
That's just a really, really odd take.
Can't speak to Evans, but I had it on good authority that Anderson was not signed just to flip. 2nd hand from Connelly that Anderson was signed because he was talented and they could worry about the fit later. Which is what you do when you just won 26 games and are rebuilding around a 19 year old phenom.
Now that doesn't mean the idea of flipping him wasn't around. That's not exclusive to Anderson- that's true of literally everyone they have brought in but Davis..And the Tyreke angle here is even loopier- Vasquez and Rolo (2/$10M) for the right to trade a guy who no one else was going to give more than $8M a year? If that's true, Demps should have been fired years ago
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the new CBA has set things up, June and July is when the action happens now. I'm not quite sure what he's referring to but he's said it multiple times. I guess it's the devaluation of expiring contracts which used to be the bread and butter of the trade deadline.
You answered your own question. No one needs expirings any more with shorter contracts and especially the exploding cap. Gone, for now at least, are the days of "and Theo Ratliff's expiring contract"
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I think what Demps wants in return for Tyreke will always be greater than the market. I doubt Demps signed Tyreke thinking his value would possibly be less than he got for Ish. Another part of why I think he needs to be replaced. Demps has more invested in Tyreke than any other player, would he be willing to cut his losses if that's what's best for the team?
Which makes the signing guys just to trade them stuff silly. It's like Philly's drafting 3 consecutive high lottery bigs because "value." You never know how value will change. Finding guys that you can develop and fit what you're trying to do will increase value. I don't think Demps has had that light bulb come on yet. Evans was always a shaky fit w/ Gordon and Holiday, kind of like Noel, Okafor, and Embiid. Hard to increase value when two other guys are already doing what you do.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 5:45 pm to ShamelessPel
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How he gave both Asik AND Ajinca those deals is beyond me. He managed two untradeable contracts (without having to give up assets to get rid of them) at the most ridiculous position in the league in the same offseason...the "big who can spell our stretch 5 for 20 minutes". I get the Asik signing. But the Ajinca 4 year/20 mil to compliment it was just beyond any level of comprehension. Not to mention he got in a bidding war with his own damn self for both of them
+1
One or the other. Makes no difference to me, but both was bad. If those contracts meant they felt like they had to dump a cheap, young guy like Stokes (even if he didn't work out, which was likely), that's just a shame. Rather take a flyer on somene like that as a 3rd center than $4M for Ajinca.
Again, this idea that he brought back Ajinca to be a future a trade chip...I mean how is Ajinca's value looking these days?
Posted on 2/23/16 at 5:50 pm to corndeaux
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Again, this idea that he brought back Ajinca to be a future a trade chip...I mean how is Ajinca's value looking these days?
Compared to Jeff Withey who he probably could have locked up just as long for 1/4 or 1/5 of the price. Granted a near minimum deal isn't very tradeable, but that's a fantastic price for a solid backup center.
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 5:51 pm
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