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Report: Apple can bypass the lockscreen on iphone5c to comply with FBI
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:00 pm
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But, argues Trail of Bits, it would be possible to put the iPhone into DFU mode and then overwrite the firmware with a version that has neither the auto-erase mode nor delays between passcode attempts. The FBI could then trivially brute-force its way into the phone.
The FBI can’t overwrite the firmware because the device checks for a valid Apple signature. The FBI doesn’t have this. But Apple does. Apple could thus create signed firmware without the protections designed to defeat brute-force attacks, and hand the phone back to the FBI.
All this supposes that iPhone is only protected by a 4-digit passcode, however. If a complex password was used, no-one in the FBI would live long enough to gain access.
Trail of Bits goes on to argue that the Secure Enclave would further complicate things on some devices. This wouldn’t apply in this particular case – as the iPhone 5c doesn’t have a Secure Enclave – but the company suggests that on later devices this would prevent Apple changing the firmware on a locked phone, and that the Secure Enclave itself cannot be overwritten without effectively erasing the device.
John Kelly, head of info security at Square, who previous worked for Apple on embedded security and thus presumably knows his stuff, says that it is perfectly possible for Apple to overwrite the Secure Enclave firmware without preventing access.
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All of which means that Apple can no longer rely on claiming that it cannot assist law enforcement agencies to break into iPhones:
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It's time to comply with the court order, Apple. If a manufacturer has designed a master lock, they can be forced by the courts to use it.
Time to break into that phone!!!
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:02 pm to steeltiger17
So create password longer than 4 digits... got it
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:05 pm to steeltiger17
This has nothing to do with the encryption key at all. This is a non-story if I've ever seen one. It's not about them overwriting the firmware, it's the FBI wanting them to create a firmware with little-to-no security measures and then reinstall it on the said phone.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:07 pm to steeltiger17
There's nothing of relevance on that phone. It was his work phone.
They destroyed their personal cell phones and disappeared the hard drive from their PC. This was a well thought out and planned attack. He would have destroyed his work phone too, if he had anything to hide on it.
They destroyed their personal cell phones and disappeared the hard drive from their PC. This was a well thought out and planned attack. He would have destroyed his work phone too, if he had anything to hide on it.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:08 pm to steeltiger17
Hurray
This instance may be a clear case of terrorism but let's hope they nail down some solid precedents for allowing access to people's phones. In the future we may be able stop all terrorist acts and live in a utopia governed by an all knowingly and benevolent government. The fourth amendment wasn't designed to protect citizens...I mean terrorists. Whatever it takes for security comrade.
This instance may be a clear case of terrorism but let's hope they nail down some solid precedents for allowing access to people's phones. In the future we may be able stop all terrorist acts and live in a utopia governed by an all knowingly and benevolent government. The fourth amendment wasn't designed to protect citizens...I mean terrorists. Whatever it takes for security comrade.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:08 pm to musick
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t's not about them overwriting the firmware, it's the FBI wanting them to create a firmware with little-to-no security measures and then reinstall it on the said phone.
that's not necessarily true... the FBI is trying to get them to somehow remove the "self destruct" feature of the phone. then they would be able to brute force the password, which wouldnt be very hard if its 4 digit. apple can not decrypt the phone with some super secret master encryption key. real encryption doesnt work that way, which you already stated
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:08 pm to steeltiger17
If there is a court order to do something, you are in contempt of court if you don't do it. I honestly don't even get the controversy surrounding this. Apple has to comply. It is the law. End of story.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:09 pm to musick
quote:no it was about creating this firmware and leaving a permanent backdoor for all phones forever.
it's the FBI wanting them to create a firmware with little-to-no security measures and then reinstall it on the said phone.
that is not the case anymore since the security measures on this phone can be bypassed and by using a method that does not work with the latest phones.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:11 pm to White Roach
quote:bc data mining anything on his phone might not lead to something else. no criminal has ever made a mistake.
They destroyed their personal cell phones and disappeared the hard drive from their PC. This was a well thought out and planned attack. He would have destroyed his work phone too, if he had anything to hide on it.
maybe he ordered a pizza to delivered near a hideout. who knows but data mining can find that relationship
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:17 pm to armytiger16
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This instance may be a clear case of terrorism
This. It's clearly terrorism. Unlock the dang phone. If you aren't a terrorist, you have nothing to worry about.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:19 pm to Hockamaw
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If there is a court order to do something, you are in contempt of court if you don't do it. I honestly don't even get the controversy surrounding this. Apple has to comply. It is the law. End of story.
It is not Apple's phone. Ownership transferred when it was sold. If I sold you a glass of lemonade and the government court ordered me to tell them what you did with that glass of lemonade and how you used it, wtf am I supposed to do?
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:20 pm to steeltiger17
So we should give the government the ability to access all iPhone 5c's? Somehow I don't think that this firmware would end at this one phone.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:20 pm to SSpaniel
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This. It's clearly terrorism. Unlock the dang phone. If you aren't a terrorist, you have nothing to worry about.
If that's the case, why don't you top wearing clothes? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:24 pm to SSpaniel
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This. It's clearly terrorism. Unlock the dang phone. If you aren't a terrorist, you have nothing to worry about.
Agreed, Americans should not expect any sort of privacy or antiquated constitutional protection from their government.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:26 pm to colorchangintiger
Maybe that's their argument, but it doesn't matter. There is a court order. Apple has to comply, or they are in contempt.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:26 pm to armytiger16
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Americans should not expect any sort of privacy or antiquated constitutional protection from their government.
Terrorists certainly shouldn't... especially dead ones.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:28 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
quote:The ability or method is already there bc of a whole in the security measures for this phone.
So we should give the government the ability to access all iPhone 5c's
If this is true, they will probably have to comply but they will make sure something like this can't happen on newer phones from now on. That way they can take the hands off approach
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:28 pm to SSpaniel
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Terrorists certainly shouldn't... especially dead ones.
YOU'RE ALL TERRORISTS.
Now who gives a shite about what the constitution says.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:29 pm to steeltiger17
I'm failing to see where Apple ever said that they couldn't do what the article said. This article changes nothing.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:32 pm to jeff5891
It's a slippery slope, at best. This is not just, you made it so tell me how to open it (which Apple has apparently done). This is a Court telling a private company to disable the a security system so they can bust down the door.
frick that.
frick that.
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