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re: Report: Apple can bypass the lockscreen on iphone5c to comply with FBI
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:07 pm to jeff5891
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:07 pm to jeff5891
From the link:
It definitely doesn't sound like the FBI are trying to be unreasonable, if you agree with them in principle. However, if you don't, it is still seen as a huge overstep.
What I mean by "technology that doesn't exist" is that there isn't currently a firmware that will allow you to do what the FBI wants to do. You can write the code, but without apple's signature it's all just 1's and 0's. The FBI demanding that Apple place its signature on their firmware, making it actually function, is extremely dangerous.
I would agree that there is a very, very, almost invisible chance that Apple doing this would lead to a data breach by cyber criminals. However, I don't see how one could argue that it does not create a dangerous precedent regarding governmental power over private data.
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Again in plain English, the FBI wants Apple to create a special version of iOS that only works on the one iPhone they have recovered. This customized version of iOS (*ahem* FBiOS) will ignore passcode entry delays, will not erase the device after any number of incorrect attempts, and will allow the FBI to hook up an external device to facilitate guessing the passcode. The FBI will send Apple the recovered iPhone so that this customized version of iOS never physically leaves the Apple campus.
It definitely doesn't sound like the FBI are trying to be unreasonable, if you agree with them in principle. However, if you don't, it is still seen as a huge overstep.
What I mean by "technology that doesn't exist" is that there isn't currently a firmware that will allow you to do what the FBI wants to do. You can write the code, but without apple's signature it's all just 1's and 0's. The FBI demanding that Apple place its signature on their firmware, making it actually function, is extremely dangerous.
I would agree that there is a very, very, almost invisible chance that Apple doing this would lead to a data breach by cyber criminals. However, I don't see how one could argue that it does not create a dangerous precedent regarding governmental power over private data.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:08 pm to Hockamaw
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Maybe that's their argument, but it doesn't matter. There is a court order. Apple has to comply, or they are in contempt.
The State Department has avoided contempt for months. I expect the District Court judge is going to be a little reluctant to issue a contempt arrest warrant for Tim Cook.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:08 pm to lsu480
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I think the NSA can pretty much spy on anyone they want to, if you don't believe they can that is up to you.
I agree, but there is a huge difference between capturing all phone metadata and internet traffic and absolutely pwning the device. Not that either are ethical and should be tolerated.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:10 pm to CaptSpaulding
From the lawyers at Electronic Frontier Foundation:
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Code is speech, and forcing Apple to push backdoored updates would constitute “compelled speech” in violation of the First Amendment. It would raise Fourth and Fifth Amendment issues as well. Most important, Apple’s choice to offer device encryption controlled entirely by the user is both entirely legal and in line with the expert consensus on security best practices. It would be extremely wrong-headed for Congress to require third-party access to encrypted devices, but unless it does, Apple can’t be forced to do so under the All Writs Act.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:10 pm to CaptSpaulding
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I would agree that there is a very, very, almost invisible chance that Apple doing this would lead to a data breach by cyber criminals. However, I don't see how one could argue that it does not create a dangerous precedent regarding governmental power over private data.
Moreover, it's to accomplish something that is very, very unlikely to lead to notable information.
Let me guess, it's either entirely clean or it includes some cryptic texts or message board history indicating things we already know.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:30 pm to CaptSpaulding
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I would agree that there is a very, very, almost invisible chance that Apple doing this would lead to a data breach by cyber criminals. However, I don't see how one could argue that it does not create a dangerous precedent regarding governmental power over private data.
Let me use myself as an anecdote. I have industrial parts manufactured in China and I import them into the US to sell to end users. Sometimes I have to go to China to meet with my manufacturers. What if the next time I go to China my phone is confiscated at Customs and they rip off my contact list. Now they have the name, job title, company, phone number, email address, and physical address of my entire customer base. Something I've worked 10 years to build up. Now they turn that list over to my manufacturers (because their name, job title, company, phone number, email address, and physical addresses are in my contacts too) and they can market directly to my customers and I'm out of a job.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:33 pm to colorchangintiger
Of course it is not ethical but the NSA has unlimited resources, the latest tech and don't have to follow any laws. I just don't think it is that crazy to think they are able to remotely access an iPhone.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:36 pm to lsu480
Tim Cooke prepare to be audited by the IRS after that little 'publicity stunt' about how you are standing up to da big bad ol gubment.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:48 pm to lsu480
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Of course it is not ethical but the NSA has unlimited resources, the latest tech and don't have to follow any laws. I just don't think it is that crazy to think they are able to remotely access an iPhone.
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"Transcripts of intercepted chats using OTR encryption handed over to the intelligence agency by a partner in Prism -- an NSA program that accesses data from at least nine American internet companies such as Google, Facebook and Apple -- show that the NSA's efforts appear to have been thwarted in these cases: "No decrypt available for this OTR message." This shows that OTR at least sometimes makes communications impossible to read for the NSA."
"Phil Zimmermann, the same man who created Pretty Good Privacy, which is still the most common encryption program for emails and documents in use today. PGP is more than 20 years old, but apparently it remains too robust for the NSA spies to crack. "No decrypt available for this PGP encrypted message," a further document viewed by SPIEGEL states of emails the NSA obtained from Yahoo."
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:52 pm to EA6B
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:53 pm to lsu480
quote:To see what? A bunch of encrypted files that they can't crack?
I just don't think it is that crazy to think they are able to remotely access an iPhone.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:56 pm to colorchangintiger
Whatever they want: LINK
Posted on 2/17/16 at 4:15 pm to colorchangintiger
quote:Well, once they get through the pass code the encrypted files won't matter since they will have user access. Any, texts phone calls, location history information should be available. apple would essentially be jailbreaking the new ios, which hasn't been released right?
A bunch of encrypted files that they can't crack?
What if he had a family plan with other terrorists and they were sharing their locations. Turn that iPhone and you might have a direct link to them.
Or even better, he downloaded google search and turned on location history reporting. Could be a gold mine
quote:From that article, they have done it before, though
From Capt: However, I don't see how one could argue that it does not create a dangerous precedent regarding governmental power over private data.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 2/17/16 at 4:26 pm to steeltiger17
Apple's response letter I did not see this posted in the thread yet
Posted on 2/17/16 at 4:30 pm to CAD703X
You truly are an idiot. You should be rejoicing that their are companies making products that our sleazy arse government can't hack into, yet you bitch and moan because Apple is trying to keep your privacy, private.
frick off loser.
frick off loser.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:04 pm to crimsonsaint
frick the government and their bullshite. They always whine any time a private company developes something they cant hack. Its always national security.
Sorry but i veiw the government as ten thousand times the threat that terrorism is. Our government has killed way more americans than all the terrorist attacks combined.
Sorry but i veiw the government as ten thousand times the threat that terrorism is. Our government has killed way more americans than all the terrorist attacks combined.
Posted on 2/17/16 at 8:14 pm to lsu777
Very few media outlets are reporting the truth about this phone. This is his work phone he left laying around for them to find. He and his bride took their personal phones and physically destroyed them and burned them.
IE I seriously doubt there is much info of any consequence on it.
But don't let this tragedy go to waste! Apple is the bad guy for not keeping America safe!!!!
This is bullshite pure and simple. The FBI knows anything and everything about these bozos they need to know. They need to move on and try and stop the next bozos who are planning this crap.
Once Apple makes a custom "FBI friendly" build of the OS and hands it over to the Feds, Pandora's box is opened and they no longer control that build and thus jeopardize the security features for all users.
This is a dangerous precedent and anyone who values liberty should be strongly against this action.
IE I seriously doubt there is much info of any consequence on it.
But don't let this tragedy go to waste! Apple is the bad guy for not keeping America safe!!!!
This is bullshite pure and simple. The FBI knows anything and everything about these bozos they need to know. They need to move on and try and stop the next bozos who are planning this crap.
Once Apple makes a custom "FBI friendly" build of the OS and hands it over to the Feds, Pandora's box is opened and they no longer control that build and thus jeopardize the security features for all users.
This is a dangerous precedent and anyone who values liberty should be strongly against this action.
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