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Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:07 am to FalseProphet
Does Louisiana still have the highest number of four-year, public universities per capita in the U.S.?
Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:07 am to FalseProphet
So is ULL... so what is the point?
Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:08 am to East Coast Band
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There are many who can't move away to go to college.
And not every kid needs to go to college. Mind boggling that people think that college is some type of right and everyone HAS to go and that the taxpayers should foot the bill.
This post was edited on 1/23/16 at 11:14 am
Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:09 am to shawnlsu
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nd not every needs to go to college. Mind boggling that people think that college is some type of right and everyone HAS to go.
Trade schools definitely need to made more of an option. Not that they aren't available but we tend to brush them aside.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:10 am to tduecen
We don't need multiple universities within 40 minutes of Baton Rouge. That's the simple point.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:12 am to jmarto1
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Trade schools definitely need to made more of an option. Not that they aren't available but we tend to brush them aside.
This X 1000.
Some people know early on they don't want to go to college and it would be great if we opened up training to them even in high school.
There is a great program in some of the schools in Texas where some of the businesses have put in together and funded a great trade school where starting in 10th grade these kids come to a training center after lunch and start learning a skill.
We've watered down the talent at our colleges way too much.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:14 am to East Coast Band
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Name them.
States with larger populations and less 4 year state colleges:
Cross referenced state populations with Wikipedia list of 4 year colleges per state.
Florida
Michigan
Colorado
Arizona
North Carolina
New Jersey
Virginia
Washington
Massachusetts
Indiana
Tennessee
Missouri
Maryland
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Colorado
Alabama
South Carolina
SO basically every state with larger population minus New York, California, Pennsylvania have a larger populations and less 4 year state colleges.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:30 am to FreddieMac
quote:It's ok, I have the answer to your problem, and it doesn't even involve voting for Obama and government goodies!
So college, the biggest means in our society to advance, should only be for those that have families that can afford to send them to school. The rest can be truck driver? What a load of horse shite!
Too poor to afford college not within daily commuting distance?
1. Earn a scholarship
2. Enlist in the military
3. Borrow money
Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:34 am to LSURussian
I can say that we have an incredible lack of teachers. The math department here only has 5 teachers now, and one is leaving after this semester. Physics has 4. My degree path in ME only has 2 and one associate professor.
There are probably just as many administrators as there are teachers and the support staff + administration far outweighs the number of teachers
Merging SUNO with offers us no benefit whatsoever. It would actually detract from UNO because of the money required to pay staff for stuff that isn't needed. The whole property should be sold
There are probably just as many administrators as there are teachers and the support staff + administration far outweighs the number of teachers
Merging SUNO with offers us no benefit whatsoever. It would actually detract from UNO because of the money required to pay staff for stuff that isn't needed. The whole property should be sold
This post was edited on 1/23/16 at 11:37 am
Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:43 am to Poncho
So Northwestern State gets a free pass?
Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:49 am to notiger1997
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There is a great program in some of the schools in Texas where some of the businesses have put in together and funded a great trade school where starting in 10th grade these kids come to a training center after lunch and start learning a skill.
They've had that in Louisiana since I was in high school(mid 90s). I remember several guys coming in the morning for English then going to trade school the rest of the day.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:55 am to yellowfin
We just had either wood or metal choices, no automotive/plumbing/pipe fitting. Used to go smoke bowls every day in the welding booths 
Posted on 1/23/16 at 12:41 pm to Poncho
That is one top down solution.
I prefer a different approach to a similar end.
I would support simply absorbing all the debt of the schools and then spin them off private. Take the money we have been giving them and give it to Louisiana residents as higher ed voucher (could also be used for vocational education) and let the money go with the student.
In short order the consolidation needed would happen and we would have MUCH, MUCH better institutions that are more responsive to our needs.
A school like Northwestern might become take on a massive online education effort and look for students nationwide.
I prefer a different approach to a similar end.
I would support simply absorbing all the debt of the schools and then spin them off private. Take the money we have been giving them and give it to Louisiana residents as higher ed voucher (could also be used for vocational education) and let the money go with the student.
In short order the consolidation needed would happen and we would have MUCH, MUCH better institutions that are more responsive to our needs.
A school like Northwestern might become take on a massive online education effort and look for students nationwide.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 12:44 pm to SG_Geaux
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You realize that Southeastern is almost as big as ULL? Like 16,000 vs 17,000 students.
How many graduate? 10.9% graduation rate in 2014
So tax money spent per graduate is astronomically high. Especially due to the amount of people (democratic voters) on a grant.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 12:47 pm to Poncho
quote:what a tool. Ever had a prescription filled in louisiana? Chances are it was a nlu/ulm pharmacist. Also well recognized dental hygiene and construction management.
1. ULM; if there are any desirable programs, ...Have you ever met a ULM student? Trust me, they give college a bad name
Posted on 1/23/16 at 12:57 pm to Poncho
I like all of that and have a few suggestions.
The nursing program really good and it has a pharmacy school. I would utilize the campus as a health science campus for the University of Louisiana system. I would add a PA program, PT program, and then do like what Auburn and the Southeast Alabama medical center did and partner with an existing DO school to have 3rd and 4th year DO students do rotations at hospitals in NELA (William Carey already has some rotations in Winnsboro FWIW) then once the osteopathic education infrastructure is in place either open a branch campus in Monroe like VCOM did in Auburn or open a new DO school like ACOM did in Dothan.
All the other ULM programs can be transferred to Ruston or a duplicates anyway so just move staff and students.
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. ULM; if there are any desirable programs, you can keep them in Ruston; ULM has long been one chin-beard away from being a community college; in fact, given the economically-depressed state of the city, turn their facilities into trade school to produce more blue collar workers. Have you ever met a ULM student? Trust me, they give college a bad name
The nursing program really good and it has a pharmacy school. I would utilize the campus as a health science campus for the University of Louisiana system. I would add a PA program, PT program, and then do like what Auburn and the Southeast Alabama medical center did and partner with an existing DO school to have 3rd and 4th year DO students do rotations at hospitals in NELA (William Carey already has some rotations in Winnsboro FWIW) then once the osteopathic education infrastructure is in place either open a branch campus in Monroe like VCOM did in Auburn or open a new DO school like ACOM did in Dothan.
All the other ULM programs can be transferred to Ruston or a duplicates anyway so just move staff and students.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 1:11 pm to WeeWee
I graduated from ULM and am returning to get my Masters, intending on doing the OT bridge program. I believe that program would need to stay as well. It is quite a bit more efficient than a straight through Masters of OT program. You only meet on campus a weekend out of each month.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 1:12 pm to LordSaintly
quote:This x 1000
This mentality right here is why Louisiana has so many of these state universities relative to its population.
College isn't high school. Everyone isn't meant to have a university in their backyards.
We have the most public universities per capita in the USA. That is idiotic.
Posted on 1/23/16 at 1:15 pm to Poncho
Will there be fewer students? If not, then all you're saving is some of the overhead costs, which will likely be erased by having to expand the remaining universities.
Not saying it's a bad idea. I think it's a good idea although politically impossible to pull off. Just saying it isn't a budget fix.
Not saying it's a bad idea. I think it's a good idea although politically impossible to pull off. Just saying it isn't a budget fix.
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