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Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:01 am to bayourougebengal
Your chances of landing a load of buckshot aren't much better than landing a rifle round. The spread is almost zero at any home defense range.
The advantage is you get something easier to control than a handgun, far less likely to end up landing bullets in your neighbor's bedroom than a rifle, and extremely good at disabling angry people quickly.
The advantage is you get something easier to control than a handgun, far less likely to end up landing bullets in your neighbor's bedroom than a rifle, and extremely good at disabling angry people quickly.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:01 am to Salmon
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I don't want my wife moving from room to room. If someone is in the house and she is alone, I want her to get my daughter and go sit in a closet with the gun pointed at the door
Soooo, you want her to be able to move efficiently while carrying a weapon.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:01 am to LSU_Anthony
Get a semi auto shotgun and cut the barrel. Then, ream the barrel and marvel at your work
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:02 am to Salmon
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I'd much rather my wife just point and shoot with a shotgun than trying to aim with a pistol.
Do you know what the pattern looks like with 00 Buck at typical home defense distance? You still have to aim. You're also firing 8 or 9 .38cal projectiles downrange, not awesome if you don't hit your target.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:02 am to Salmon
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I want her to get my daughter and go sit in a closet with the gun pointed at the door.
yeah, not always that easy if separated in a home spur of the moment. I like at least two weapons on different sides of the house. Handgun here, shotgun yonder or vice versa.
i keep a handgun in closet of one of my kids room. i think his closet would be the hide out... sit and wait with gun...
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 9:03 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:02 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
The advantage is you get something easier to control than a handgun, far less likely to end up landing bullets in your neighbor's bedroom than a rifle, and extremely good at disabling angry people quickly.
I've seen some people say that buckshot has more overpenetration than handgun rounds, especially hollow points..
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 9:03 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:03 am to upgrayedd
Damn, I was under the impression the 2-3 day CHL courses train and condition you to use the gun as well as test you to use it.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:03 am to upgrayedd
quote:
Have thought about a handgun but wont get one till my wife and I can get our CHL's
What Upgrayedd said
The CHL class is NOT an intro to firearms class. They are not going to teach a novice how to shoot great. Have her take a basic NRA pistol class, then move up to concealed carry later on.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:03 am to H.M. Murdock
I would love to hear what your better suggestion is.
I feel like I've had this discussion with you before and you were spewing some horrible advice.
I feel like I've had this discussion with you before and you were spewing some horrible advice.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:04 am to upgrayedd
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you want her to be able to move efficiently while carrying a weapon.
I mean...a youth sized 20 gauge isn't that hard to carry
its not like its going to get stuck in a doorway
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:04 am to LSU_Anthony
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:04 am to LSU_Anthony
Also, if anyone lives in North Houston and wants to go shooting let me know 
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:05 am to kilo1234
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Do you know what the pattern looks like with 00 Buck at typical home defense distance? You still have to aim.
yes
still wider than any caliber pistol
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:05 am to LSU_Anthony
quote:My immediate reaction was to tell you that this is a dumb idea. But I'd like to know your reasoning behind this because I can't think of a good idea behind it.
Have thought about a handgun but wont get one till my wife and I can get our CHL's.
As a fellow Texan citizen, I would feel better if you had more time knowing your weapon before walking around with it concealed. In my CHL class, there was a guy that knew nothing about the weapon he brought to the class. He passed the written tests but the instructor did not pass him because he was a danger to himself and others. Don't be that guy.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:05 am to H.M. Murdock
quote:uh,no.
bird shot,
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:05 am to H.M. Murdock
OP,
Remington 870 youth model 20 gauge with the plug removed shooting 2.75" 000buck. Plug removed will give you 5 rounds in magazine and one round chambered. This is the best system for novice shooters, but if youre seriously thinking about this then you owe it to yourself and your wife to shoot often and familiarize yourself with how to operate a shotgun comfortably. Shooting is an enjoyable experience for nearly everyone that tries once they get over the intial shock factor. This would give you an all purpose weapon/gun in case youre ever invited on a clay shoot/duck hunt/deer hunt/rabbit hunt/nearly anything hunt. Youth model makes it easier to maneuver in hallways in the dark because of the shortened stock/barrel and 20 gauge will have less felt recoil than a 12 so your wife will appreciate that. Start her off with some very light 7/8 oz 7 shot sporting clay loads and go shoot some skeet with some friends that know how to handle firearms to get her into it.
Also, do not leave the firearm unchambered and think that racking the slide will scare someone. If someone is in your home, they are their to harm you and your family and the threat should be ended as soon as possible. Racking the slide gives your position away in a dark room and leaves you with one less round when youre already at a capacity disadvantage (the one knock on shotguns vs pistols). If you think racking the slide will do anything except escalate a situation, then you already have to wrong mindset. Your mindset is to end the threat, period. No warning, no 2nd chance. Some people cant deal with that, which makes them not mentally prepared and makes an unchambered shotgun as useful as a Louisville Slugger. With all the being said, if you feel uncomfortable having a loaded firearm in your house because of kids, then you also have to factor in the cost of a decent safe.
Remington 870 youth model 20 gauge with the plug removed shooting 2.75" 000buck. Plug removed will give you 5 rounds in magazine and one round chambered. This is the best system for novice shooters, but if youre seriously thinking about this then you owe it to yourself and your wife to shoot often and familiarize yourself with how to operate a shotgun comfortably. Shooting is an enjoyable experience for nearly everyone that tries once they get over the intial shock factor. This would give you an all purpose weapon/gun in case youre ever invited on a clay shoot/duck hunt/deer hunt/rabbit hunt/nearly anything hunt. Youth model makes it easier to maneuver in hallways in the dark because of the shortened stock/barrel and 20 gauge will have less felt recoil than a 12 so your wife will appreciate that. Start her off with some very light 7/8 oz 7 shot sporting clay loads and go shoot some skeet with some friends that know how to handle firearms to get her into it.
Also, do not leave the firearm unchambered and think that racking the slide will scare someone. If someone is in your home, they are their to harm you and your family and the threat should be ended as soon as possible. Racking the slide gives your position away in a dark room and leaves you with one less round when youre already at a capacity disadvantage (the one knock on shotguns vs pistols). If you think racking the slide will do anything except escalate a situation, then you already have to wrong mindset. Your mindset is to end the threat, period. No warning, no 2nd chance. Some people cant deal with that, which makes them not mentally prepared and makes an unchambered shotgun as useful as a Louisville Slugger. With all the being said, if you feel uncomfortable having a loaded firearm in your house because of kids, then you also have to factor in the cost of a decent safe.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 9:12 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:06 am to upgrayedd
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There you go, breh
There you go, breh
Posted on 11/4/15 at 9:06 am to H.M. Murdock
quote:
shotgun, the choice of the fools
So, people are frozen in time where they are and cannot develop proficiency with this simple and elegant self-defense tool?
Honestly, shotgun + buckshot is the most lethal and effective option for self-defense engagements at household ranges. Your points are valid to a certain degree. If the self-defense preparation consists of solely purchasing a shotgun and ammunition, sticking it in a closet - it is no more effective than locking the door.
But, if practice and training are committed so that the shooter develops a basic competence in the manual of arms, a pump action or semi-automatic shotgun can be a highly effective, relatively low maintenance self-defense firearm.
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