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re: Why does everyone think South Carolina is a good job?

Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:50 pm to
Posted by rolltide32
Fort Payne, AL
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 11:50 pm to
East is shite.
Posted by CoastTrashTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2015
1966 posts
Posted on 11/5/15 at 2:55 am to
East being shite, and the location to GA, VA, TN, and northern Florida. They are right smack dab in the middle of this hotbed. As well as they always seem to get some absolute beats from SC out of high school.

They are fighting with Clemson, obviously but with them being in different conferences it really is not as big a factor as in Mississippi.
Posted by gamecocks22
SC
Member since Dec 2012
4913 posts
Posted on 11/5/15 at 8:34 am to
-in the SEC

-in the East which has to be appealing

-work for a former coach like Ray Tanner

-Solid facilities

-good fan support

-great pay

-Likely to be more patient with a coach and not fire him as quick as others

-Not AS high of expectations as some other big SEC jobs, although they are high.
Posted by Glory, Glory
Pawleys Island, SC
Member since Nov 2012
4498 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 6:46 am to
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Why does everyone think South Carolina is a good job?


There is no such thing as a bad job in the SEC (save Vandy). I don’t think SCAR is a tier 1 or tier 2 job within the conference, but I think they compare favorably to programs such as a K-State or Iowa. Not a lot of history, but have a few solid seasons in the last decade. SCAR has the money to spend, but I believe they are t-3rd best open job (with Maryland) at the moment. They need to lock up one of the big-2 (Herman or Fuente) before other teams start calling.
Posted by BMC398
Atlanta, GA
Member since Apr 2011
322 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 11:49 am to
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There is no such thing as a bad job in the SEC (save Vandy). I don’t think SCAR is a tier 1 or tier 2 job within the conference, but I think they compare favorably to programs such as a K-State or Iowa. Not a lot of history, but have a few solid seasons in the last decade. SCAR has the money to spend, but I believe they are t-3rd best open job (with Maryland) at the moment. They need to lock up one of the big-2 (Herman or Fuente) before other teams start calling.


Not totally off base, but i'm a UGA alum and a BigTen football fan and i'd put USC over Iowa and KState any day. Similar histories, but both Kansas and Iowa are talent poor as compared to South Carolina.

Plus, its the SEC east. USC is a good job now and the coaches they have gotten to fill it the past 2 times its been open really bear that out.
Posted by Glory, Glory
Pawleys Island, SC
Member since Nov 2012
4498 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 12:03 pm to
We can agree that SCAR is a good job, not disputing that. In terms of recruiting ground versus the aforementioned teams, consider the other side of the coin. SCAR has more talent resources but also faces more competition. I'm not going to argue the talent disparity, numbers speak for themselves. However, I'd rather recruit the state of Texas and the Midwest than go head-to-head against the likes of Clemson, UGA, Auburn, Bama, Florida, Florida St, etc.

UNC is another team that is comparable. Both have good fan bases, access to great HS talent, and has the money to throw around. My point, SCAR is an uphill battle for any coach. The coaches you mentioned failed to deliver a title so I find it a hard sell.

Again, good job but it has a self inflated value.
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15763 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 1:22 pm to
UNC has turrible fan support in football.

And how do you define tiers 1 and 2 if USC isn't in either?
Posted by Bluefin
The Banana Stand
Member since Apr 2011
13345 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 1:24 pm to
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UNC is another team that is comparable. Both have good fan bases, access to great HS talent, and has the money to throw around.

You're purposely downplaying us, and I don't know why. The support the UNC fans and administration put behind their football team is NOT comparable to South Carolina. The only reason they still have fans attending their games are because they're halfway decent this season. Normally UNC football games are at about 50% capacity at this time of year, and they're already focused on basketball. If SC and UNC were competing to hire the same coaches, the only reason one would choose UNC is because it's easier in the ACC.

The money, fan support, and recruiting effectiveness of SC easily make it the better job.

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My point, SCAR is an uphill battle for any coach. The coaches you mentioned failed to deliver a title so I find it a hard sell.

The lack of titles doesn't mean that the 2010 - 2014 seasons didn't happen. The foundation to succeed is in place at SC. Coaches will care about what is in place for them to work with NOW, not what was accomplished 30 years ago. It is entirely plausible to think that a coach will look at what can be accomplished at SC and want to be the one who brings us our first SEC championship.

Spurrier accomplished a lot here while arguably giving minimal effort in terms of recruiting and overall control of the program. As long as our next coach has a young, fiery ambition, we'll be fine.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
80220 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 1:30 pm to
JC Shurburtt from 247 just reported that Herman is the #1 target.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26181 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 2:17 pm to
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I don't know if you saying y'all have to drive an hour each way to practice indoors is any better.



Don't your students have to bus to football games because it's almost 2 miles away?
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
52128 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

You're purposely downplaying us, and I don't know why.


People forget that SC was able to hire Steve Spurrier in 2004 when our facilities weren't even a 1/10th of what they are now. Talk about the unlikeliest of hires.
Posted by PAGator
Member since Jul 2015
2339 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 2:30 pm to
Spurrier went to SC because he wanted back in the SEC and Florida hired Meyer.
Posted by Bluefin
The Banana Stand
Member since Apr 2011
13345 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 3:20 pm to
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Spurrier went to SC because he wanted back in the SEC and Florida hired Meyer.

And if any of the coaches we're talking about want into the SEC?
Posted by Glory, Glory
Pawleys Island, SC
Member since Nov 2012
4498 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 3:22 pm to
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And how do you define tiers 1 and 2 if USC isn't in either?


Tier 1:
Alabama, LSU, UGA, Florida

Tier II:
Texas A&M, Tennessee, Auburn
Posted by Glory, Glory
Pawleys Island, SC
Member since Nov 2012
4498 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 3:30 pm to
quote:

You're purposely downplaying us, and I don't know why


Not at all. Believe it or not South Carolina is one of the few SEC teams I can tolerate.

quote:

If SC and UNC were competing to hire the same coaches, the only reason one would choose UNC is because it's easier in the ACC.



Bingo. Isn’t that why we’re playing this hypothetical game? UNC’s path to a more National presence isn’t nearly as in intensive as SCAR. They have access to the same recruiting base.

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The lack of titles doesn't mean that the 2010 - 2014 seasons didn't happen. The foundation to succeed is in place at SC


I think you’re correct on the first part, but this is a what have you done for lately league. Spurrier didn’t leave a bunch of All-Americans in Columbia. The talent disparity between ’10-’14 and today is night and day. You would be hard pressed to argue. Rock Hill hasn’t produce those impact players the last few years and SCAR recruiting in suburban Atlanta has been underwhelming. Going head to head with the teams I mentioned in the above post proved difficult for a HOF coach.

There is a rebuilding job in Columbia, SC. Back to the OP, SCAR is a good job.
This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 3:33 pm
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15763 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 3:49 pm to
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Going head to head with the teams I mentioned in the above post proved difficult for a HOF coach.


The most effort Spurrier put into recruiting was doing the cha cha slide with Lattimore's mom. Other than that he didn't do shite.

And we were still able to go head to head against Bama, Auburn, Tennessee and UGA for some big time recruits when our recruiting coordinator wasn't Spurrier's incompetent son. Hell we even got a couple recruits going head to head against some of those teams even after Bubba became recruiting coordinator.

quote:

There is a rebuilding job in Columbia, SC


A minor one.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 3:50 pm to
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UNC is another team that is comparable.


you lost any hint of any credibility...right here.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 3:53 pm to
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Tier 1:
Alabama, LSU, UGA, Florida

Tier II:
Texas A&M, Tennessee, Auburn



Then why would UGA be Tier 1? Tenn and Aub both won a BCS, Aub has a more recent SECCG and aTm hasn't done shite, not even won a division in the SEC before?
Posted by Glory, Glory
Pawleys Island, SC
Member since Nov 2012
4498 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 4:07 pm to
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Then why would UGA be Tier 1?


Can you provide some reasons why they wouldn’t be? I’ve seen some reputable CF Analyst call it a top 10, top 5 and even the best job in the nation. I’d also be willing to bet most knowledgable SEC fans would agree with my assessment.

quote:

aTm hasn't done shite


AtM has the money, facilities, endowment, all of the above. Not to mention they’re in the most talent rich state in the United States.

quote:

Tenn and Aub both won a BCS, Aub has a more recent SECCG


So has Colorado and GA Tech. Are you implying they are better jobs than UGA?
Posted by Cockopotamus
Member since Jan 2013
15763 posts
Posted on 11/6/15 at 4:37 pm to
Colorado and Georgia Tech did not win a BCS national title.
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