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re: Why does everyone think South Carolina is a good job?
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:36 pm to Bluefin
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:36 pm to Bluefin
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So you're saying we're a bad job?
We have plenty of money to spend, brand new facilities, fertile recruiting location, and are in the division of the SEC where there is no clear-cut favorite year-in and year-out.
I'm not going to say we're a better job than Georgia, because we're not. But we do have many of the factors that make a job attractive to the kind of coaches we have our eye on, and will be able to sell a coach on the fact that they will have complete control in a very low-stress environment. The South Carolina fans and administration are very patient, and will not expect immediate success.
We lack the prestige and historical success of other schools, and no one is denying that. But I think that is exactly the kind of selling point we'll use to our advantage, all while having the kind of resources that other successful programs have.
So, you can say we're on par with Rutgers, but that really is far from the truth. People will say that Spurrier achieved nothing here, and they're only looking at W's and L's. He turned us into a contender.
Not a bad post.
But, be more specific.
Where would you rank SC as a program in the SEC?
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Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:37 pm to Carolina_Girl
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BOTs have approved $6 mill/yr.
SC isn't going to pay 6M per year.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:38 pm to moneyg
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Where would you rank SC as a program in the SEC?
Do you mean as a program in history or as a job opportunity right now?
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:46 pm to CockInYourEar
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Do you mean as a program in history or as a job opportunity right now?
Current status of the program. Think of it as the foundation for success moving forward. Historical success plays a part. Money plays a part. All together, where do you (and Bluefin) think SC ranks within the SEC?
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:54 pm to moneyg
I don't think South Carolina is a bad job, but it's also not a great job either.
I wasn't registered here in 2009 but did lurk, and I remember seeing threads on here around then that maybe Spurrier wasn't that great of a coach and that Florida had made him what he is.
Let's not forget that in Spurrier's first five years at USC, his records were 7-5, 8-5, 6-6, 7-6, and 7-6.
I wasn't registered here in 2009 but did lurk, and I remember seeing threads on here around then that maybe Spurrier wasn't that great of a coach and that Florida had made him what he is.
Let's not forget that in Spurrier's first five years at USC, his records were 7-5, 8-5, 6-6, 7-6, and 7-6.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:59 pm to Bluefin
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we do have many of the factors that make a job attractive to the kind of coaches we have our eye on, and will be able to sell a coach on the fact that they will have complete control in a very low-stress environment. The South Carolina fans and administration are very patient, and will not expect immediate success.
Don't forget the golf courses!
Posted on 11/3/15 at 4:01 pm to moneyg
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SC isn't going to pay 6M per year.
We would've done that for Chip Kelly. However, in the time that info was first released, Kelly was in the doghouse and the So Cal job wasn't available yet.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 4:02 pm to PAGator
Because it is a good job; good school, lots of fans, pays well.
It's just not one where you can be expect to compete for a national title.
It's just not one where you can be expect to compete for a national title.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 4:04 pm to genro
Me too 
Posted on 11/3/15 at 4:05 pm to cardboardboxer
Any coach will look at South Carolina and go Lou Holtz and Steve Spurrier had decent success but couldn't even sniff a conference championship, am I really that much better than 2 legends of the game?
You would almost be better off if you had no success and could blame it on just bad coaches
You would almost be better off if you had no success and could blame it on just bad coaches
Posted on 11/3/15 at 4:07 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Holtz and Spurrier were both past their prime there.
the problem is Ga, Fla and Tenn are just better football schools. Then you have Alabama, Auburn and LSU in the west to deal with.
the problem is Ga, Fla and Tenn are just better football schools. Then you have Alabama, Auburn and LSU in the west to deal with.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 4:08 pm to moneyg
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Current status of the program. Think of it as the foundation for success moving forward. Historical success plays a part. Money plays a part. All together, where do you (and Bluefin) think SC ranks within the SEC?
I don't think within the SEC matters now with the job openings.
For the current job openings, So Cal is a better job. IMO, Miami and Va Tech are not, b/c of the reasons I mentioned on page 1 of this thread. Va Tech is better than Miami's job right now, IMO. Maryland, Minnesotta and anyone else aren't even close to those 4 openings.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 4:11 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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but couldn't even sniff a conference championship,
Incorrect. We played in the SECCG and had our chance to get there (by 1 loss) in '11-'13.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 4:12 pm to CockInYourEar
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I don't think within the SEC matters now with the job openings.
I asked the guy to be specific as to how good he thought the program was. His comments were very generic, and while I agreed with him in general, I had no idea if I really agreed with him.
If you rank them in the SEC...I'd say it's a pretty good way of figuring out if my opinion of USCe is similar to yours.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 4:39 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Any coach will look at South Carolina and go Lou Holtz and Steve Spurrier had decent success but couldn't even sniff a conference championship, am I really that much better than 2 legends of the game?
Most coaches with egos the size of Mars would answer that question with a "Yes, yes I am a better coach."
Posted on 11/3/15 at 4:39 pm to CockInYourEar
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So now you know.
Yet all of that "stuff" has produced how many SEC championships? How many National Titles?
Let's be realistic: the reason USCe is attractive is because the pressure to win and the expectation of success is not in the same stratosphere as other programs in the league. It's a perfect stop for say, an older coach who can be relatively competitive without breaking a glass ceiling, get paid handsomely and then ride off into the sunset.
Sound familiar?
Posted on 11/3/15 at 5:48 pm to cardboardboxer
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Most coaches with egos the size of Mars would answer that question with a "Yes, yes I am a better coach."
The problem is, is that guy
1) available the year SC job is available
2) is he not taking another job over SC
SC isn't getting their #1 choice if UGA, for example, also wants that guy.
I'd hate to have to hire a coach. Of course I'd love to hire a coach if I'm the AD at Bama and Saban comes available.
That kind of hire takes luck, either in the timing of a slam dunk hire, or that your "second tier" is actually 1st tier in practice.
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 11/3/15 at 6:19 pm to cardboardboxer
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Most coaches with egos the size of Mars would answer that question with a "Yes, yes I am a better coach."
lol not if they have options
Posted on 11/3/15 at 6:22 pm to moneyg
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Where would you rank SC as a program in the SEC?
I will give you my unbiased opinion, but I know that almost any answer to this question will yield dispute from other perspectives, no matter who answers it.
Historically, we're clearly in the lower tier. Ahead on UK and Vandy, about on par with MSU. Just 15 years ago, we were 0-21 over the course of 2 seasons.
As of now, I would put us in the middle tier of the SEC. The Big 6 programs are ahead of us, but we've definitely risen to be on par with the likes of A&M, Mizzou, and Arkansas. Just 2 years ago we were coming off 3 consecutive seasons of 33 wins. That's not just a lucky streak - we've shown that we can get elite talent here and beat teams that dwarf us in history.
That's why this hire will be so incredibly crucial for us. We can't lose the recognition that we've gained by making the wrong hire and not pushing further. We're in too competitive of an area to not have the name recognition as a program that brings in big time recruits. Our program has to put these past 2 seasons behind us and get back on track of getting to 10 win seasons.
To me, the best man to do this job is Justin Fuente. That's just my opinion.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 6:38 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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SC isn't getting their #1 choice if UGA, for example, also wants that guy.
Nobody has claimed we would.
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