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Anyone concerned about Kevin Steele's history as a (head) coach?
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:54 pm
Yes it's very different being a defensive coordinator vs a head coach but how much of Kevin Steele's success at Bama or at Carolina was a result of having GREAT players?
When you look at his record from when he was actually responsible for LEADING men or developing talent.....well, here's what wiki has to say about it. Pretty disastrous. Anyone else concerned? Another thing...Miles was pretty hands off with the defense under Chief and you know that Saban had his hands all over that defense at Bama even if Steele was the coordinator, possibly hiding some of his shortcomings. His tenure at LSU will definitely expose him as a great or terrible coach.
"Steele was the head coach at Baylor University from 1999 to 2002. His record was 9–36 (1–31 in the Big 12 conference).
In Steele's first season (1999), Baylor finished with a 1–10 record (the school's worst since 1969). During the 1999 season, Steele's Baylor team was involved in what ESPN.com called one of the top 10 worst coaching decisions, in 1999, when he chose a running play rather than a kneel down with his team leading and possessing the ball in the game's final 12 seconds and the opponent (UNLV) out of timeouts. The ensuing Baylor fumble and UNLV return for a touchdown gave the Rebels a shocking win.[4]
Steele's second season began with a 2–1 non-conference record but was followed by eight straight Big 12 losses, only one closer than 24 points. A particularly rough stretch in October saw the Bears shut out in three consecutive games (the last of which was a 59–0 loss at Nebraska, where the Huskers led 38–0 after the first quarter). Part of BU's offensive woes were caused by the season ending collarbone injury to heralded offseason JUCO transfer quarterback Greg Cicero, who was injured in the season's second game. Steele's third season in 2001 started with a 2–0 record (including an exciting overtime win over New Mexico).
Steele's fourth season (2002) had a terrible beginning. For opening day, Baylor traveled to Berkeley to play California. Since Cal had finished 1-10 the previous year, many felt this was a good matchup. However, Cal (who turned out to be greatly improved in 2002) immediately took command of the game, jumping to a 35–0 lead and cruising to a 70–22 win. Although the team rallied from the defeat to win three of the next four games (the last a 35–32 win over Kansas for Steele's first Big 12 conference win), they could not sustain the momentum, losing their next four conference games by wide margins and Steele was fired after the fourth (a 62–11 loss to Texas Tech). After the firing, Steele elected to finish the season and continued as head coach for the season's last three games, all losses. Steele was succeeded by coach Guy Morriss."
When you look at his record from when he was actually responsible for LEADING men or developing talent.....well, here's what wiki has to say about it. Pretty disastrous. Anyone else concerned? Another thing...Miles was pretty hands off with the defense under Chief and you know that Saban had his hands all over that defense at Bama even if Steele was the coordinator, possibly hiding some of his shortcomings. His tenure at LSU will definitely expose him as a great or terrible coach.
"Steele was the head coach at Baylor University from 1999 to 2002. His record was 9–36 (1–31 in the Big 12 conference).
In Steele's first season (1999), Baylor finished with a 1–10 record (the school's worst since 1969). During the 1999 season, Steele's Baylor team was involved in what ESPN.com called one of the top 10 worst coaching decisions, in 1999, when he chose a running play rather than a kneel down with his team leading and possessing the ball in the game's final 12 seconds and the opponent (UNLV) out of timeouts. The ensuing Baylor fumble and UNLV return for a touchdown gave the Rebels a shocking win.[4]
Steele's second season began with a 2–1 non-conference record but was followed by eight straight Big 12 losses, only one closer than 24 points. A particularly rough stretch in October saw the Bears shut out in three consecutive games (the last of which was a 59–0 loss at Nebraska, where the Huskers led 38–0 after the first quarter). Part of BU's offensive woes were caused by the season ending collarbone injury to heralded offseason JUCO transfer quarterback Greg Cicero, who was injured in the season's second game. Steele's third season in 2001 started with a 2–0 record (including an exciting overtime win over New Mexico).
Steele's fourth season (2002) had a terrible beginning. For opening day, Baylor traveled to Berkeley to play California. Since Cal had finished 1-10 the previous year, many felt this was a good matchup. However, Cal (who turned out to be greatly improved in 2002) immediately took command of the game, jumping to a 35–0 lead and cruising to a 70–22 win. Although the team rallied from the defeat to win three of the next four games (the last a 35–32 win over Kansas for Steele's first Big 12 conference win), they could not sustain the momentum, losing their next four conference games by wide margins and Steele was fired after the fourth (a 62–11 loss to Texas Tech). After the firing, Steele elected to finish the season and continued as head coach for the season's last three games, all losses. Steele was succeeded by coach Guy Morriss."
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:56 pm to TigerFan244
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Anyone concerned about Kevin Steele's history as a (head) coach?
As worried as I am about Orgeron's, Cameron's, and Peveto's.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:56 pm to TigerFan244
Nope. He's our defensive coordinator and we have elite talent. We needed the change anyway. Steele will do fine as he loves it at LSU.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:56 pm to TigerFan244
Not really Baylor sucked for a long time. Just getting relevant now that there is more TV money and Texas us down.
That and plenty of DC's aren't cut out to be HC's or take jobs at bad schools.
FWIW I think Raymond is DC before Miles leaves. I think Steele is a stop gap for a few years
That and plenty of DC's aren't cut out to be HC's or take jobs at bad schools.
FWIW I think Raymond is DC before Miles leaves. I think Steele is a stop gap for a few years
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:56 pm to TigerFan244
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in 1999, when he chose a running play rather than a kneel down with his team leading and possessing the ball in the game's final 12 seconds and the opponent (UNLV) out of timeouts.
well, at least he won't be touching the offense
in all honesty, in a reduced role, just running the defense with as much talent that he will have and the best DLine coach in the country, i think we'll be fine
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:57 pm to TigerFan244
What about Cam Cameron's 1-15 season with the Dolphins? Both mean nothing to me.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:57 pm to TigerFan244
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Kevin Steele's history as a (head) coach?
Well considering he's not our HC... Going with... No
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:59 pm to TigerFan244
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but how much of Kevin Steele's success at Bama or at Carolina was a result of having GREAT players?
What do you think he's going to have at LSU???
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:59 pm to TigerFan244
1) It should be said again. He's not our head coach.
2) Here's my worry. Steele is too aggressive and expects too much from our LB corps. We don't have the horses he had at Bama.
2) Here's my worry. Steele is too aggressive and expects too much from our LB corps. We don't have the horses he had at Bama.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 1:59 pm to ProjectP2294
I'd say I'm concerned more than worried. However coach O is a vast improvement at DL coach, so hopefully he can make up for any dip in overall scheme. Secondary is stout, as long as Beckwith stays healthy we will be ok.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:00 pm to TigerFan244
He's not the head coach. So... no.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:01 pm to TigerFan244
Good thing we didn't hire him as the head coach, then.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:02 pm to TigerFan244
The "he's only good because he has great players argument" is pretty ridiculous if it's being used to knock on a DC.
Someone explained it this way. Let's say you have a world class chef. That chef may be great, but he still needs quality ingredients to make his food taste right. The two need each other to come together correctly. Look at chief. His defenses were a lot different depending on the talent at the time.
Someone explained it this way. Let's say you have a world class chef. That chef may be great, but he still needs quality ingredients to make his food taste right. The two need each other to come together correctly. Look at chief. His defenses were a lot different depending on the talent at the time.
This post was edited on 9/2/15 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:02 pm to ctowntiger
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However coach O is a vast improvement at DL coach,
Not to mention Steele is highly renowned for his work with LBs (yes, I know, Chief was too). Point is, I think Steele is a nice addition to a complete defensive staff. People will raise the 70+ point debacle against WVU, but I really am not as worried about him in this role as a lot of people. Not to mention the embarrassment of talent we have on the defensive side.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:05 pm to CheerWhine
Will Muschamp failed at Florida.... FLORIDA. He guided the Gators to their first losing season since 1979. And there's not one person who wouldn't want him as their team's DC.
I think a co-ordinator's record as a head coach is irrelevant. It just means they were a bad head coach.
I think a co-ordinator's record as a head coach is irrelevant. It just means they were a bad head coach.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:05 pm to rmnldr
quote:His fondness for the school has no bearing what so ever on whether he succeeds or fails........
Steele will do fine as he loves it at LSU.
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:09 pm to TigerFan244
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Anyone concerned about Kevin Steele's history as a (head) coach?
All I could think about was Zoolander - "Derek, are you worried about Hansel?...Uhh, not as much as I'm worried about Gretel.".
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:10 pm to TigerFan244
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Anyone concerned about Kevin Steele's history as a (head) coach?
Coaches everyone should be worried about:
-Orgeron
-Kiffin
-Muschamp
-Chizik
-Cam Cameron
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:10 pm to semjase
quote:I wouldn't say that. How much you like your job can have a proportionate effect on how hard you work.
His fondness for the school has no bearing what so ever on whether he succeeds or fails........
Posted on 9/2/15 at 2:12 pm to semjase
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His fondness for the school has no bearing what so ever on whether he succeeds or fails........
Found the retard.
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