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re: UPDATE- NOW INDICTED- Cincy police chief says video of cop shooting man is "not good"
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:54 pm to meauxjeaux2
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:54 pm to meauxjeaux2
I can come damn close to telling you what happened but no one will listen because you guys are so busy pissing all over each other's legs.
Officer pulls guy over for traffic violation. OK.
Guy is evasive which makes officer suspicious. OK.
Guy becomes SORT OF non-compliant. OK.
Officer draws firearm because guy is reaching around. OK IF DONE PROPERLY.
Officer points gun at guys head. NOT OK.
Officer begins wrestling with guy over door. OK.
Officer's finger wanders onto the trigger at some point. NOT EVER OK.
Officer has a sympathetic reflex causing him to fire gun. This is when you grab something with one hand and your other hand clenches. POLICE ARE TAUGHT ABOUT THIS AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY YOU DON'T EVER PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER OR POINT THE WEAPON WHEN DOING SOMETHING WITH THE OTHER HAND. NOT OK.
Gun is fired and guy is killed. NOT OK BUT NOT MURDER THE WAY PEOPLE ARE USING IT HERE. THIS WAS NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE ALL THE WAY. Mark my words, the Prosecutor, Mayor et al will frick this up like they always do and overcharge this guy as if he set out to kill this guy before he ever stopped him. The Officer will get acquitted because he was overcharged and then the city will burn.
It was wrong, it was bad but call it what it was. This officer is an incompetent idiot but not a "murderer" in the sense they are using the word.
Officer pulls guy over for traffic violation. OK.
Guy is evasive which makes officer suspicious. OK.
Guy becomes SORT OF non-compliant. OK.
Officer draws firearm because guy is reaching around. OK IF DONE PROPERLY.
Officer points gun at guys head. NOT OK.
Officer begins wrestling with guy over door. OK.
Officer's finger wanders onto the trigger at some point. NOT EVER OK.
Officer has a sympathetic reflex causing him to fire gun. This is when you grab something with one hand and your other hand clenches. POLICE ARE TAUGHT ABOUT THIS AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY YOU DON'T EVER PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER OR POINT THE WEAPON WHEN DOING SOMETHING WITH THE OTHER HAND. NOT OK.
Gun is fired and guy is killed. NOT OK BUT NOT MURDER THE WAY PEOPLE ARE USING IT HERE. THIS WAS NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE ALL THE WAY. Mark my words, the Prosecutor, Mayor et al will frick this up like they always do and overcharge this guy as if he set out to kill this guy before he ever stopped him. The Officer will get acquitted because he was overcharged and then the city will burn.
It was wrong, it was bad but call it what it was. This officer is an incompetent idiot but not a "murderer" in the sense they are using the word.
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:54 pm to TigerHam85
quote:
However, you disobey the law, you could very well get killed. Whether that's right or wrong, it's still your fault for not listening to the person in control.
So the cop was in the wrong, but the guy is at fault?
This is what I'm getting at. "Comply or die" is so fricked up and should not be accepted by anyone. It is one person's fault he was shot in the head, that is the executioner's.
quote:
His actions caused it to happen. There's no disagreeing with that and that's my only point.
His actions did not warrant being shot. Period. Indisputable.
Again, had he been arrested, sure that would be his fault.
He was executed. That is not his fault.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:54 pm to TigerHam85
quote:
All I said was the guy is dead because he didn't listen to the LEO, making his death his fault.
Like I said, if that chick hadn't dressed so slutty she would have never been raped, huh?
Kind of the same defense here isn't it.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:54 pm to bayou2003
I don't know where I stand on this case.
I think and argument could be made that the officer feared for the safety of the citizen walking up the street just before the perp attempted to flee.
I just wonder how this new wave of law enforcement scrutiny is playing into the minds of other cops and those considering becoming cops. What other jobs require you to make split second decisions that if you choose wrong could send yourself to jail for the rest of your life?
I think and argument could be made that the officer feared for the safety of the citizen walking up the street just before the perp attempted to flee.
I just wonder how this new wave of law enforcement scrutiny is playing into the minds of other cops and those considering becoming cops. What other jobs require you to make split second decisions that if you choose wrong could send yourself to jail for the rest of your life?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:55 pm to jbgleason
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Guy is evasive which makes officer suspicious. OK.
Did you pay attention?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:55 pm to terd ferguson
quote:Meauxjeaux2 was arguing that he committed a felony by eluding officers, which is justification for the officer's actions. Yet he doesn't actually escape until after he was presumably dead.
Crazy shite, man...
Now he may have been planning to escape; however, it's disingenuous to justify the actions of shooting because of the felony, when the so called felony didn't occur until after he was dead.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:55 pm to LesMiles BFF
quote:
Like I said, if that chick hadn't dressed so slutty she would have never been raped, huh?
Slut deserved it!
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:56 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Meauxjeaux2 was arguing that he committed a felony by eluding officers, which is justification for the officer's actions.
Felony eluding is justification for point blank execution?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:56 pm to TigerHam85
quote:
However, you disobey the law, you could very well get killed. Whether that's right or wrong,
Well I see you don't know what the words right or wrong mean. It's amazing you possess the mental aptitude to be able to log onto a computer.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:56 pm to TheCaterpillar
I can't believe scumbags are actually defending the officer.
I guess they feel comfortable saying it anonymously.
I guess they feel comfortable saying it anonymously.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:56 pm to jbgleason
quote:
UPDATE- NOW INDICTED- Cincy police chief says video of cop shooting man is "not good" by jbgleasonI can come damn close to telling you what happened but no one will listen because you guys are so busy pissing all over each other's legs. Officer pulls guy over for traffic violation. OK. Guy is evasive which makes officer suspicious. OK. Guy becomes SORT OF non-compliant. OK. Officer draws firearm because guy is reaching around. OK IF DONE PROPERLY. Officer points gun at guys head. NOT OK. Officer begins wrestling with guy over door. OK. Officer's finger wanders onto the trigger at some point. NOT EVER OK. Officer has a sympathetic reflex causing him to fire gun. This is when you grab something with one hand and your other hand clenches. POLICE ARE TAUGHT ABOUT THIS AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY YOU DON'T EVER PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER OR POINT THE WEAPON WHEN DOING SOMETHING WITH THE OTHER HAND. NOT OK. Gun is fired and guy is killed. NOT OK BUT NOT MURDER THE WAY PEOPLE ARE USING IT HERE. THIS WAS NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE ALL THE WAY. Mark my words, the Prosecutor, Mayor et al will frick this up like they always do and overcharge this guy as if he set out to kill this guy before he ever stopped him. The Officer will get acquitted because he was overcharged and then the city will burn. It was wrong, it was bad but call it what it was. This officer is an incompetent idiot but not a "murderer" in the sense they are using the word.
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This officer should spend the rest of his life in jail
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:57 pm to MSMHater
quote:
Resident, anonymous, blind LEO supporters scream that the campus rent-a-cop did nothing wrong. And the cop that shot Tamir Rice did nothing wrong. And the cop that killed Eric Garner did nothing wrong. And the cops that burned a toddler with a flash bang did nothing wrong (corruption charge not withstanding of course), and the cop that arrested Sandra Bland did nothing wrong. And it's always the same 5-10 posters.
Cops don't do anything wrong, guys. Even if their superiors say they did...they didn't.
They good boys, dindonuffin.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:58 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:No. Not at all.
Felony eluding is justification for point blank execution?
I was just explaining my absurd response to Meauxjeaux2's even more absurd argument.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:58 pm to jbgleason
quote:Same thing they defended Barney Fife in Oklahoma with. Made-up psycho babble to help defend incompetent, murderous cops.
sympathetic reflex
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:58 pm to jbgleason
quote:
I can come damn close to telling you what happened but no one will listen because you guys are so busy pissing all over each other's legs.
Officer pulls guy over for traffic violation. OK.
Guy is evasive which makes officer suspicious. OK.
Guy becomes SORT OF non-compliant. OK.
Officer draws firearm because guy is reaching around. OK IF DONE PROPERLY.
Officer points gun at guys head. NOT OK.
Officer begins wrestling with guy over door. OK.
Officer's finger wanders onto the trigger at some point. NOT EVER OK.
Officer has a sympathetic reflex causing him to fire gun. This is when you grab something with one hand and your other hand clenches. POLICE ARE TAUGHT ABOUT THIS AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY YOU DON'T EVER PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER OR POINT THE WEAPON WHEN DOING SOMETHING WITH THE OTHER HAND. NOT OK.
Gun is fired and guy is killed. NOT OK BUT NOT MURDER THE WAY PEOPLE ARE USING IT HERE. THIS WAS NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE ALL THE WAY. Mark my words, the Prosecutor, Mayor et al will frick this up like they always do and overcharge this guy as if he set out to kill this guy before he ever stopped him. The Officer will get acquitted because he was overcharged and then the city will burn.
It was wrong, it was bad but call it what it was. This officer is an incompetent idiot but not a "murderer" in the sense they are using the word.
finally some intelligence in this thread.
could/should have been avoided.. sad for the parties involved and the city will forever be changed.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:59 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
Guy is evasive which makes officer suspicious. OK. Did you pay attention?
Yes I did. Evasiveness can breed suspicion. I didn't say pulling your gun on him suspicious. Just "Hmmm... something is up here, I should investigate further" suspicious. This is kind of what the police get paid to do.
I don't want a cop that says. "Do you have a license?" Well that dude didn't answer so I should just walk off now.
You want so bad for me to justify the actions so you can bash me as a boot licker when all I did was make an impartial analysis of the situation. Get worked up if you want but the guy was far from compliant. The opposite of that can be called evasive.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:59 pm to bayou2003
Nobody's "backing" this cop because it would be career suicide.
I hope the jury is full of people who've had extensive encounters with these "failure to comply" types.
I hope the jury is full of people who've had extensive encounters with these "failure to comply" types.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:59 pm to TheCaterpillar
I never once said his actions warranted him being killed. I said his actions were the cause of it. Whether it was the proper use of force or not, his actions caused force to happen.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:00 pm to TigerHam85
quote:
When did I ever say the LEO used proper force?
All I said was the guy is dead because he didn't listen to the LEO, making his death his fault.
The guy wasn't under arrest. You don't have to always listen to an officers command. Some people actually know the law. If a cop says let me search your car...you can say no, they don't have the right to open your door and yank you out. If a cop ask to come in your home, you can say NO. Those instances are not following command of a LEO.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:00 pm to jbgleason
quote:
Officer has a sympathetic reflex causing him to fire gun. This is when you grab something with one hand and your other hand clenches. POLICE ARE TAUGHT ABOUT THIS AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY YOU DON'T EVER PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER OR POINT THE WEAPON WHEN DOING SOMETHING WITH THE OTHER HAND. NOT OK.
Gun is fired and guy is killed. NOT OK BUT NOT MURDER THE WAY PEOPLE ARE USING IT HERE. THIS WAS NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE ALL THE WAY. Mark my words, the Prosecutor, Mayor et al will frick this up like they always do and overcharge this guy as if he set out to kill this guy before he ever stopped him. The Officer will get acquitted because he was overcharged and then the city will burn.
It was wrong, it was bad but call it what it was. This officer is an incompetent idiot but not a "murderer" in the sense they are using the word.
It can still be murder without the intent to kill. It just isn't premeditated murder. Even if it wasn't murder, it wouldn't be neglient homicide which is a misdmeanor under Ohio law, it would be reckless homicide which is a felony under Ohio law. LINK
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