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Posted on 4/25/15 at 10:51 am to RTR America
quote:Because he lacks coordination.
Dude the guy only shoots layups and dunks. His shot chart is hilarious. I also don't think I have ever seen him make an actual post move. To think he isn't one of the hardest workers in the NBA doesn't seem too crazy to me.
Why do you think you never see the guy dribble during a game? He lacks coordination.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 10:52 am to cssamerican
quote:1. Offensive rebound rate, the Clips rebound 19% of Jordan's 2nd shot misses.
Why isn't correct?
2. You completely negate any chance for turnovers and/or easy transtion baskets by hacking the guy and sending him to the line.
3. If you're leading and you do it early in the shot clock, like most teams do, you're not wasting any time off the clock.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 10:52 am to Kracka
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repetition, muscle memory, and practice.
This is absolutely true...watch the poor FT shooters. I can tell you definitively that Andre Drummond can't make a FT because he rarely repeats the same routine at the line from start-to-finish.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 10:54 am to Kracka
Both at the same time makes sense to me. The goal should be improving the (already great) game. I think they should do alot to change the timeout rules at the end of the games to improve the pace, but this is a thread about intentional off-ball fouls and wanting that changed doesn't affect changing timeout rules or traveling enforcement at all.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 10:57 am to shel311
The guy moves way too well to be "uncoordinated" imo. I just think he's been able to thrive his entire career on being one of the most athletic 6'11 players we have ever seen. He's never had to develop the other parts of his game.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:01 am to shel311
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But RTR, if I understand his logic, is basically saying it's ALL about practice, so I assume he thinks Jordan practiced enough to hit RTR's 50% threshold, then decided he didn't want to do that any more.
Practice or not they are still part of the game. You can't change the rules of an entire sport because a handful of the players can't do what is required of them.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:05 am to EastNastySwag
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Missing FTs is a loophole now. Christ in basket, I thought I heard it all. Some new everyday
You haven't heard anything because you are not listening you just have your view and simplistic kind of self righteous response and that's that to you.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:06 am to RTR America
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The rating are down for a playoffs that is missing Durant/Westbrook and where 5 of the series are already 3-0. Truly shocking.
it's not fair to compare a 1st round to last year's first round. that shite was pure fricking insanity
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:07 am to TallMan
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but this is a thread about intentional off-ball fouls and wanting that changed doesn't affect changing timeout rules or traveling enforcement at all.
But you can talk about one, and not have the conversation blend into other conversations about other, possibly more important changes. I think that when this rule is changed, and I accept that it likely will. That teams will just wait until DAJ or other shitty FT shooting players get the ball to foul him. They already sub in players off the bench to sacrifice fouls to get him and others on the line, they will just accept a mismatch to bait the other team into getting him the ball. You'll just possible have to sacrifice more time running off the clock to do so.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:07 am to cssamerican
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The average NBA possession leads to 1.1 points. If you are a 55% free throw shooter you negate any advantage of this "loophole". Is that really too much to ask from a guy making millions to shoot a basketball to make a 15 foot unconteste set shot 55% of the time?
Actually, its presumably less. 1.1 is very high first of all. But lets just say for a team hitting 1.1..... They are presumably winning. If they were tied, the expected points per possession they would need to stay tied or take the lead would be 1.1. Since they are winning, they just need to not get outscored that much. So presumably less than the projected 1.1 points per possession the trailing team will get.
That said, this is irrelevant. Like somebody said, stop thinking of it as a rule change and think about it as finding the right rules. This is basketball, not the decathlon or something that strives to be a testament of well roundedness and having no weaknesses. Its an arbitrary set of rules with arbitrary sized balls, dimensions, and goal sizes. You can draft 1,000 different variation of arbitrary combinations to make different variants of the sport..... some that make players like Shaq good and some that would make players that could never sniff the current NBA good. Personally, i find it more entertaining to watch guys like Shaq.
If I'm in the mood for something less freakish, I'll watch golf.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:08 am to lsu480
IMO, it's the same as taking advantage of a player that can't play defense, but may be a great shooter. It's all part of the game. I don't particularly enjoy watching it, but FT shooting is a basic skill. A coach has to figure out if everything else he does is worth the trade-off.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:08 am to lsu480
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You can't change the rules of an entire sport because a handful of the players can't do what is required of them.
Actually you can, why do you think we have the DH? If a guy is fouled taking a shot or with the ball, then send him to the line. But this crap fouling a guy away from the basket, with out the ball is hideous to watch.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:09 am to RTR America
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First off if the strategy doesn't work like PTM suggests then teams will stop doing it. If it does work then teams like the Clippers should have to consider sitting DAJ.
the bold part is correct
GS sits bogut often for this reason, and it's a big reason why they play small so much
note: i think GS loses a series this year due to bogut, iggy, and green's FT problems
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:09 am to lsu480
quote:You can, and they will.
. You can't change the rules of an entire sport because a handful of the players can't do what is required of them.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:10 am to Kracka
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Wasnt Shaq's free throw percentage in college much better than in the NBA? Did his hands get any bigger? Just asking because from what I remember, while he was still bad in college, he was not as bad as he was in the nba
His sample size did. And plus, Shaq was always a high variance guy. 1 year he shot 62 percent on a huge sample. Another he shot 42 percent. It wasn't a steady decline really. Probably just felt comfortable sometimes and others not.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:11 am to TheSexecutioner
quote:The theory thrown around here would be sometimes he practiced, sometimes he didn't.
Another he shot 42 percent. It wasn't a steady decline really. Probably just felt comfortable sometimes and others not.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:12 am to TheSexecutioner
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Probably just felt comfortable sometimes and others not.
Well he's already admitted that his mind was in other places while at the free throw line.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:13 am to Kracka
Well the coach doesn't have to keep him in the game. Until he learns to shoot FTs have fun on the bench.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Yeah the Grizz played the Clippers twice in the playoffs when Del Negro was the coach. Jordan rarely ever played in the 4th quarter in those 13 playoff games.
He just no backup now.
Plus I think part of it is these coaches are leaving these poor FT shooters out there to force the league's hand on this.
He just no backup now.
Plus I think part of it is these coaches are leaving these poor FT shooters out there to force the league's hand on this.
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