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re: Have to do a speech on why college athletes should NOT get paid.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:02 am to 21JumpStreet
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:02 am to 21JumpStreet
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Because they're already getting paid about 40 grand a year to attend school. Scholarship athletes atleas
Some are closer to 50-60k.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:05 am to WG_Dawg
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-it's a slippery slope to go down. Let's say every player gets X amount of money. Ok...so in a few years what happens when your heisman winning QB complains that he makes as much as the backup punter? Eventually it could lead to price disparity which is just going to be a battle that no real CFB should want
Nobody talks about this point and its one of the biggest ones IMO. How do you determine which player gets paid a certain amount? You can't. A Freshman 5 Star QB can come in and have tons of jersey sales and get paid without ever playing a down while a the 5th Year All American OG could potentially not get a dime. Could an athlete sue if he feels the school is not compensating him with the correct proportion of of his value for the team? Could a player have grounds to transfer without sitting out if he thinks another player at his position is getting unjustly paid more? Say goodbye to any kind of team chemistry.
Great points all around though. When people say schools make all of this money off the backs of these athletes, they usually cry about the Manziel types who are the stars. For every one of him, there are a few hundred whoare nameless. So this whole issue is about compensating a handful of players out of several thousand every year.
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 11:16 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:05 am to AUTigermitch1995
Well, personally I think they should be paid. But, if I had to argue the opposite as part of an assignment, I'd basically just lean on the idea that college athletics are supposed to be amateur endeavors, even though I think that's a copout. The problem with that argument is that the professional leagues have colluded with the NCAA to make college sports the only legitimate pipeline to the pros. So, to counteract that, I'd try to argue that the players have other choices besides going to college. Baseball players can enter the draft right out of high school. Basketball players can play overseas or join the D-league once they turn 18. For football, you can join the Arena Football League at 18 years of age or the Canadian Football League at 19.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:10 am to ColeCoushCoush
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colluded
That's the word I was looking for earlier when discussing the NFL, NBA, and NCAA
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:21 am to undecided
Allow boosters to pay whoever they want. Take the responsibility away from the school and allow alums to support programs however hey see fit.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:23 am to jvilletiger25
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As a former college athlete, I'm more concerned with the disability pension after you get out.
This is a great point
Also, what kind of class is this for?
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Allow boosters to pay whoever they want. Take the responsibility away from the school and allow alums to support programs however hey see fit.
I agree, or let them sell their likeness
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 11:24 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:25 am to WG_Dawg
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-it's a slippery slope to go down. Let's say every player gets X amount of money. Ok...so in a few years what happens when your heisman winning QB complains that he makes as much as the backup punter? Eventually it could lead to price disparity which is just going to be a battle that no real CFB should want
This isn't a valid reason to be against it and is fallacious.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:25 am to AUTigermitch1995
They receive more money in stipends than most college students working part time.
Ohio state for instance athletes receive around $1,600 per month plus food.
Ohio state for instance athletes receive around $1,600 per month plus food.
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 11:27 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:27 am to theenemy
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They receive more monwy in stipends then most college students working part time.
My roommates played at lsu, although 1 was in a walk-on roll.
It's a full time job that requires waking up at 5am a good bit and not getting home until past 10. Spring ball is actually really busy
Not all injuries are covered by the school either.
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:28 am to TigerBait1127
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It's a full time job that requires waking up at 5am a good bit and not getting home until past 10. Spring ball is actually really busy
Football? Baseball? what sport?
NCAA only allows a certain amount of practice time.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:29 am to Topwater Trout
Football
Practice time =\ workouts, meetings, film review, mandatory study sessions, etc
Not to mention that players host their own practices
Take a guy like Bregman. Guarantee he goes over the NCAA time, but it is considered private practice sessions
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NCAA only allows a certain amount of practice time.
Practice time =\ workouts, meetings, film review, mandatory study sessions, etc
Not to mention that players host their own practices
Take a guy like Bregman. Guarantee he goes over the NCAA time, but it is considered private practice sessions
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 11:31 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:33 am to AUTigermitch1995
They do get paid. They get full scholarships to the academic institutions they are attending. They get free room and board to attend those institutions. They get free clothing (all the team gear) and free medical care while at said institutions. Free access to amazing nutrition programs, including all free supplements and weight lifting programs. How many times do athletes go out to eat at restaurants on campus and the restaurant doesn't require them to pay or someone else in the restaurant pays for them to eat? They get all the pussy that they can possibly handle. The college experience for an athlete is a gazillion times better than the average student. In the event that an athlete doesn't go professional in their respective sport they are set up with everything they could possibly need in order to become successful in life. If they don't become successful with everything that is provided to them, it is their own fault.
Not to mention...they are given lots of cash under the table.
Not to mention...they are given lots of cash under the table.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:35 am to TigerBait1127
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It's a full time job that requires waking up at 5am a good bit and not getting home until past 10. Spring ball is actually really busy
I worked 2 partime jobs through out college.
40 hours per week at $7.00 per hour= $280 per week before taxes so I think they have a pretty good deal.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:35 am to CoachChappy
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Schools need to maintain independence from being "bought"
Every other program at a university has donated money flowing through it. You didn't think the business school is named "Ourso" by accident I hope.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:50 am to AUTigermitch1995
Per LSU:
LINK /
In State/Out of State
Tuition & Fees $8,758/$26,476
Housing $6,120/$6,120
Meal Plan $4,186/$4,186
Books & Supplies $1,500/$1,500
Total $20,564/$38,282
In-State Totals X 4 year college athletic career = $82,256
Out of State Totals X 4 year college athletics career = $153,128
For 5th year seniors, that pushes In-State totals to over $100K/$190K.
This doesn't include the stipends they get, the free world class health care they get, the top-flight nutritional and training assistance they get, the world-class athletic instruction and coaching they receive, the life-skills and personal development opportunities they receive through their coaches as well as the CHAMPS Life Skills Program, nor the priority scheduling, staggering tutoring and mentoring advantages they receive over normal students from Day 1, the preferred housing they receive, etc.
Oh and let's not forget the Summer Jobs program they receive. You think they aren't getting preferential work treatment? Get real. It ain't on paper but its there. Those employers are paying for access using their jobs programs.
Oh and one last thing: Bowl game swag and apparel. There's so much Nike/Adidas/Under Armor available to kids who belong to the program its unbelievable. Stuff that is super expensive that the typical starving college student can't obtain. The bowl swag is Flat-screens, Bulova Watches, X-Box, etc.
I also think players get a stipend from LSU already as well.
They-and anyone else who thinks they should be paid-need to get a grip on reality.
LINK /
In State/Out of State
Tuition & Fees $8,758/$26,476
Housing $6,120/$6,120
Meal Plan $4,186/$4,186
Books & Supplies $1,500/$1,500
Total $20,564/$38,282
In-State Totals X 4 year college athletic career = $82,256
Out of State Totals X 4 year college athletics career = $153,128
For 5th year seniors, that pushes In-State totals to over $100K/$190K.
This doesn't include the stipends they get, the free world class health care they get, the top-flight nutritional and training assistance they get, the world-class athletic instruction and coaching they receive, the life-skills and personal development opportunities they receive through their coaches as well as the CHAMPS Life Skills Program, nor the priority scheduling, staggering tutoring and mentoring advantages they receive over normal students from Day 1, the preferred housing they receive, etc.
Oh and let's not forget the Summer Jobs program they receive. You think they aren't getting preferential work treatment? Get real. It ain't on paper but its there. Those employers are paying for access using their jobs programs.
Oh and one last thing: Bowl game swag and apparel. There's so much Nike/Adidas/Under Armor available to kids who belong to the program its unbelievable. Stuff that is super expensive that the typical starving college student can't obtain. The bowl swag is Flat-screens, Bulova Watches, X-Box, etc.
I also think players get a stipend from LSU already as well.
They-and anyone else who thinks they should be paid-need to get a grip on reality.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:52 am to theenemy
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I worked 2 partime jobs through out college.
Cool
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40 hours per week at $7.00 per hour= $280 per week before taxes so I think they have a pretty good deal.
Should have found a better job
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:53 am to Ghostfacedistiller
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There are many, many, student athletes outside of power conference football and basketball. Only around 5-7 (look it up for sure) athletic departments are self-sustaining.
Seven schools don't receive any outside subsidies (LSU, Nebraska, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Purdue, Texas) LINK. About 20 schools currently make a profit using the accounting that is often cited saying schools can't afford the stipends (revenues minus expenses minus subsidies) LINK. These numbers are skewed for two reasons:
1) many of these Ath. depts actually have net revenue when you factor in the subsidies they receive. These funds exist whether or not the players are paid. AD's love getting the funds, but they don't like counting them when they are telling everyone how broke they are.
2) athletic departments have a habit of spending every dollar of revenue to justify the constant raising of prices. So if they have to pay players, many would be able to trim some fat in their budgets to cover the costs.
For Example, West Virginia is #21 on the 'profitable' list with an operating "deficit".
$73,245,211 in revenue (minus subsidies)
$73,501,593 in expenses
$256,382 = amount of deficit they have
$4,461,487 is the subsidy they receive. Which means without any changes, they are operating with over a $4 million surplus but according to NCAA accounting, they aren't 'profitable' and couldn't afford to pay a stipend.
Will paying players hurt the lower tier schools? Of course. But don't think for a second that schools like Ole Miss, Auburn, Tenn, would be having financial issues if they had to shell out a small stipend to the players. The money is there.
LINK
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Athletic departments are trying to walk a rhetorical tightrope. They want to hide their profits to make it easier to keep them away from other would-be claimants. They also want to avoid looking so poor that other stakeholders within academia use sports' apparent poverty to strip them of power. Rhetoric that turns a price into a cost, and a transfer of profit into a loss of money, helps play a role in confusing things enough that the moment in the magic trick where the profit is moved from one pocket to the other gets obscured.
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:55 am to AUTigermitch1995
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Have to do a speech on why college athletes should NOT get paid.
Athletes voluntarily enter into the student/athlete agreement. They can exit the agreement at any time with no penalty. Each year thousands of athletes willingly agree to enter into the agreement (this proves the value of the agreement is satisfactory).
Posted on 4/20/15 at 11:59 am to AUTigermitch1995
Might be hard for you being an au fan... Cammy Cam..
Posted on 4/20/15 at 12:01 pm to TigerBait1127
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Practice time =\ workouts, meetings, film review, mandatory study sessions, etc Not to mention that players host their own practices Take a guy like Bregman. Guarantee he goes over the NCAA time, but it is considered private practice sessions
I consider this a luxury that the athletes are afforded since they don't have to pay tuition, housing, meals, books etc. I am sure they have it better than the students working through college.
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