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re: Have to do a speech on why college athletes should NOT get paid.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:52 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:52 am to WG_Dawg
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If the football players are getting paid, every athlete on all mens and womens teams need to get paid as well.
No they don't. When they bring in as much money as football, basketball, and to a lesser extent baseball players do then they can be paid. Until then they should be happy for the Big3 revenue that subsidizes their scholarships and STFU
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-If schools are allowed to come up with their own system, the big money schools are going to further distance themselves from the smaller schools. The playing field will become even more uneven.
Would like to see this happen in football tbh. Somehow create an NCAA tourney type environment where the best of the Power 5 go against the top of the CUSA, American, Sunbelt ect. Schools would split tv revenue money and everyone would be happy.
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-It opens up shady behavior even moreso than it alreayd is. Your big time athletes can buy a brand new car, take pics with a handful of hundreds, buy out the bar eveyr saturday night, etc. When questioned they can simply say "it's my stipend money". Basically these under the table deals will ramp up considerably because now the players actually WOULD have an excuse for how they are spending all this money.
There has been shady behavior in college athletics since it's inception. It will not go away. And if some 50 year-old, rich, white, guy gets his rocks off by giving his money away to college athletes then more power to him
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 9:56 am
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Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:52 am to CoachDon
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There's not a valid reason that they shouldn't receive compensation.
Free education, housing, meals, tutoring....most don't become pro athletes so the majority are getting free degrees.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:52 am to AUTigermitch1995
They are paid with free/discounted college education.
That same education leaves non-scholarship athletes in student loan debt for decades and is a huge burden.
Also, free room, board, and books is a huge financial commitment. Book prices are just obscene.
But I think all NCAA athletes should get a $400 a month stipend from the NCAA itself, which earns billions in revenue.
That same education leaves non-scholarship athletes in student loan debt for decades and is a huge burden.
Also, free room, board, and books is a huge financial commitment. Book prices are just obscene.
But I think all NCAA athletes should get a $400 a month stipend from the NCAA itself, which earns billions in revenue.
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 9:54 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:54 am to AUTigermitch1995
They get room & board, tuition, small stipend, plus the best tutors, nutritionists, medical care all for free. Come out of college debt free. They are "interning" while in college and if they prove their worth, they will paid handsomely by the NFL.
Only a handful of colleges 25-30 have the resources to pay ALL student athletes accordingly. You pay the star qb, you better be ready to pay the girl on the cross country team the same amount. Your lower end schools could not keep up financially with the big boys.
Only a handful of colleges 25-30 have the resources to pay ALL student athletes accordingly. You pay the star qb, you better be ready to pay the girl on the cross country team the same amount. Your lower end schools could not keep up financially with the big boys.
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 9:57 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:54 am to undecided
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No they don't. When they bring in as much money as football, basketball, and to a lesser extent baseball players do then they can be paid. Until then they should be happy for the Big3 revenue that subsidizes their scholarships and STFU
and how should they get paid if you are going to apply money generated to who gets paid? Bama gets a higher salary cap than Vandy?
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:55 am to TheCaterpillar
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But I think all NCAA athletes should get a $400 a month stipend from the NCAA itself, which earns billions in revenue.
How about you actually check your facts. The NCAA may break 1 billion in revenue for the first time in history this year. Also it takes money to run these organizations.
LINK
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:56 am to undecided
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No they don't. When they bring in as much money as football, basketball, and to a lesser extent baseball players do then they can be paid. Until then they should be happy for the Big3 revenue that subsidizes their scholarships and STFU
Go tell that to a lawyer and see how well that holds up.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:56 am to AUTigermitch1995
You should watch the Last Week Tonight with John Oliver on the NCAA march madness show. There is no better way you could present the case better than that 15 min log segment.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:57 am to Topwater Trout
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how should they get paid if you are going to apply money generated to who gets paid? Bama gets a higher salary cap than Vandy?
that goes along with one of my points. If it's set up that way, you're going to look at maybe 10-12 teams from here on out who have any remote chance of competing for titles becuase the prestigious/traditional/big money football powers will just end up pricing out everyone else.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:58 am to WG_Dawg
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that goes along with one of my points. If it's set up that way, you're going to look at maybe 10-12 teams from here on out who have any remote chance of competing for titles becuase the prestigious/traditional/big money football powers will just end up pricing out everyone else.
sort of like what we have now?
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:58 am to Topwater Trout
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Bama gets a higher salary cap than Vandy?
Yes. Isn't this America? Why do you all suddenly care so much about a level playing field when it comes to paying athletes. What happened to all of your pull yourself up by the bootstrap talk?
Schools like Vandy shouldn't aspire to reach Bama levels of money. That's unrealistic. As James Franklin and their Baseball team have proved, they can do pretty good without.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:58 am to TheCaterpillar
Take a dive into the costs of things they get for free annually:
Tuition - $20,000
Books - $1,000 (2 semesters)
Room/Board - $3,200 ($400 a month rent for 8 months of school year)
Food - $1,000 (I completely made up a number here)
That’s $25,200 a school year given to them. That is $10,000 a year more than minimum wage and leaves them with a degree after college and no student loan debt.
Again, I think the NCAA should give all athletes a $400 a month stipend during the school year and have it be even across all sports. Not during the summer though
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Actually they should weight the sports, but they shouldn’t weight schools differently…
Mens/Womens basketball, football, baseball/softball all get $400, but swimming, lacrosse, etc. get less.
Tuition - $20,000
Books - $1,000 (2 semesters)
Room/Board - $3,200 ($400 a month rent for 8 months of school year)
Food - $1,000 (I completely made up a number here)
That’s $25,200 a school year given to them. That is $10,000 a year more than minimum wage and leaves them with a degree after college and no student loan debt.
Again, I think the NCAA should give all athletes a $400 a month stipend during the school year and have it be even across all sports. Not during the summer though
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Actually they should weight the sports, but they shouldn’t weight schools differently…
Mens/Womens basketball, football, baseball/softball all get $400, but swimming, lacrosse, etc. get less.
This post was edited on 4/20/15 at 10:03 am
Posted on 4/20/15 at 9:59 am to barry
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How about you actually check your facts. The NCAA may break 1 billion in revenue for the first time in history this year. Also it takes money to run these organizations.
I didn't say they earn that annually.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:00 am to AUTigermitch1995
a. it's a contractual agreement. if the players don't like it, they don't have to sign. we should respect private parties agreeing with one another
b. Title 9 basically invalidates the ability of any sort of real impact
c. Only CFB and some CBB programs make money. the vast majority of athletic departments are in the red and couldn't afford salaries. also the schools would only really be paying college football players and maybe bball players. add in (b) and it's just not possible
d. forcing the NCAA to pay athletes would either create a schism in college sports that would destroy the lower divisions, or create cost that would destroy college athletics at lower divisions
b. Title 9 basically invalidates the ability of any sort of real impact
c. Only CFB and some CBB programs make money. the vast majority of athletic departments are in the red and couldn't afford salaries. also the schools would only really be paying college football players and maybe bball players. add in (b) and it's just not possible
d. forcing the NCAA to pay athletes would either create a schism in college sports that would destroy the lower divisions, or create cost that would destroy college athletics at lower divisions
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:00 am to WG_Dawg
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10-12 teams from here on out who have any remote chance of competing for titles becuase the prestigious/traditional/big money football powers will just end up pricing out everyone else.
exactly. Not to mention if they ever do allow them to be paid it will make it even easier for alums to grease recruits/players pockets.
I know it goes on now but I think the greatest thing about college sports is that they are amateurs....take that away and they would lose thier luster.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:01 am to 777Tiger
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sort of like what we have now?
it would be much worse. Do you really think if schools set their own pay limits based on revenue and resources that a boise state would have even a prayer of playing with the big boys?
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:02 am to undecided
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Yes. Isn't this America?
we're talking about amateur athletics, not building the next fortune 500 company.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:04 am to AUTigermitch1995
They can go to Europe or Canada and be paid to play then return here to play once they are eligible. The simply want their cake and eat it too.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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a. it's a contractual agreement. if the players don't like it, they don't have to sign. we should respect private parties agreeing with one another
b. Title 9 basically invalidates the ability of any sort of real impact
c. Only CFB and some CBB programs make money. the vast majority of athletic departments are in the red and couldn't afford salaries. also the schools would only really be paying college football players and maybe bball players. add in (b) and it's just not possible
Agree.
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d. forcing the NCAA to pay athletes would either create a schism in college sports that would destroy the lower divisions, or create cost that would destroy college athletics at lower divisions
Disagree, because I think they could make it work.
shite, give the kids $100 a month spending money during the school year.
That'd be $360 million for the 420,000 athletes. That leaves $700 million revenue leftover for the NCAA.
Posted on 4/20/15 at 10:06 am to WG_Dawg
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Do you really think if schools set their own pay limits based on revenue and resources that a boise state would have even a prayer of playing with the big boys?
I think so? See my earlier post regarding the Basketball tourney. VCU, Butler, Wichita State are managing to hang with programs like Kansas and Kentucky.
Games are played on the field. Never forget, Georgia Southern beat UF one of the richest programs in the country.Jacksonville State vs Ole Miss. Bama vs La Monroe, LSU vs UAB. Not saying it would happen on a regular basis but it would occur much more frequently than some of you believe.
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