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Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:44 am to rocket31
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Yeah we've come along way in just the last ten years... Let alone 30 years?
BRB eating 6-11 servings of grains per day. fricking lol
I don't take anonymous internet posters seriously about exercise or nutrition unless they post a shirtless picture.
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eating 6-11 servings of grains per day
I'll bet you are.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:46 am to rocket31
We will see how yall feel about this era when this HGH testing finally kicks off next season.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:50 am to PrimeTime Money
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I never said the game is better today. I like both versions of the game.
I would just like to educate people on the differences between the game and why things that were done in the past are not done anymore.
I don't think people understand how big of a change the rules made in how the game looks today compared to the past.
Like I said, I'm not saying one is better than the other... I just want people to understand the difference.
I'm on this same stance, obviously it is an internet message board and there are a lot of folks just trying to win an argument.
I just think there is a large number of casual sports fans who automatically assume "more points" is "better" in every sport, which is laughable.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 11:58 am to PrimeTime Money
I see:
- A bunch of guys who had no shot in hell at guarding Jordan 1 on 1.
- The same defensive sets you see today with vastly inferior bigs in terms of athleticism.
- A ton of hand checking and body contact that would be a foul 100% of the time today but didn't get called.
There's a ton of examples that actually disprove what you are trying to say as well. It looks very similar to be honest, except the PFs and Cs in today's NBA are on a different plane when it comes to speed.
Watch 8:30 - 9:00. The heat players are playing 10 ft off their man hovering right outside the paint.
ETA: There are bigs in Jordan's face for half of the video. It's just Michael effing Jordan.
- A bunch of guys who had no shot in hell at guarding Jordan 1 on 1.
- The same defensive sets you see today with vastly inferior bigs in terms of athleticism.
- A ton of hand checking and body contact that would be a foul 100% of the time today but didn't get called.
There's a ton of examples that actually disprove what you are trying to say as well. It looks very similar to be honest, except the PFs and Cs in today's NBA are on a different plane when it comes to speed.
Watch 8:30 - 9:00. The heat players are playing 10 ft off their man hovering right outside the paint.
ETA: There are bigs in Jordan's face for half of the video. It's just Michael effing Jordan.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:26 pm to ShamelessPel
There are rules as to how far off your man you can be in any given situation. Offensive players knew that. (For example.. if an offensive player is above the 3-point line, the defensive player can sag no lower than the free throw line. Even if that offensive player is a terrible shooter who will never shoot a 3. They still have to follow him out past the free throw line).
Offensive players knew when they were "safe" because they knew that a particular player could not cheat over and defend unless he was going to double hard.
This causes "pockets" of space in the defense that just aren't available today.
Those pockets of space close much quicker today because the defenders can cheat over enough to be in better position to help in time. Back then, the help came slower due to the illegal defense rules, and these pockets of space stayed open slightly longer... enough time to get off an uncontested shot or catch the big man too deep under the basket.
It only takes a fraction of a second between the big man being caught too deep under the basket on a rotation and meeting the offensive player outside of the paint. The rules now allowing players to cheat off their man more is the difference between getting caught under the rim and contesting a shot on the block.
Offensive players knew when they were "safe" because they knew that a particular player could not cheat over and defend unless he was going to double hard.
This causes "pockets" of space in the defense that just aren't available today.
Those pockets of space close much quicker today because the defenders can cheat over enough to be in better position to help in time. Back then, the help came slower due to the illegal defense rules, and these pockets of space stayed open slightly longer... enough time to get off an uncontested shot or catch the big man too deep under the basket.
It only takes a fraction of a second between the big man being caught too deep under the basket on a rotation and meeting the offensive player outside of the paint. The rules now allowing players to cheat off their man more is the difference between getting caught under the rim and contesting a shot on the block.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 2:56 pm to PrimeTime Money
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PrimeTime Money
Say what you want... The 94-95 Rockets would SMOKE this years Rocket team...
Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:48 pm to mattz1122
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I think the biggest issue is that A LOT of people here aren't old enough to even remember MJ playing on the Wizards.
God damn this line of thinking is dumb and makes it easy to laugh at posters like you. You act like there aren't 100 different ways to watch players from different era's.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:49 pm to dgtiger3
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Watching an NBA shoot around is one of the most astonishing things I have ever witnessed.
I agree.
I remember a Rockets game where they realized the goal was like 2 inches off in pregame, and they all realized it b/c they were missing more often than normal.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 3:57 pm to PrimeTime Money
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PrimeTime Money
I'm just saying that the game seems very similar to today's game except instead the bigs are slow as shite compared to the jump shooting hybrids we have now. Using an MJ highlight reel is almost unfair as half the time the person guarding him isn't within 5 feet of him either.
Also, it being illegal and it getting called are completely different ballparks. Again though, there is a ton of hand checking and Jordan shooting through body contact in that video.
I'm not disagreeing with your argument that it sucked for the bigs back then. I'm arguing that today's bigs would make that video look much different.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:03 pm to RTR America
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You act like there aren't 100 different ways to watch players from different era's.
Yeah, 40-second clips from YouTube from which kids like you base their "knowledge."
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:12 pm to mattz1122
And all I'm trying to argue is that the game hasn't undergone some massive revolution in every single aspect ranging from nutrition to athleticism since 1999, and people who think that tend to believe 1999 was an eternity ago (and it was if you're 20 years old). For Christ's sake, some people here talk about the '90s as if they're the '50s.
I do think the style of play is better now and the talent is comparable if not slightly better compared with the '90s. I also happen to think the league has been at its all-time best over the past few years.
I do think the style of play is better now and the talent is comparable if not slightly better compared with the '90s. I also happen to think the league has been at its all-time best over the past few years.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:14 pm to mattz1122
Seriously.
Thanks now I know to ignore you.
Such a shitty cop out to actual discussion.
Thanks now I know to ignore you.
Such a shitty cop out to actual discussion.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:15 pm to mattz1122
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Yeah, 40-second clips from YouTube from which kids like you base their "knowledge."
You're not even trying to search for anything legit on YT if you're being serious here.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:23 pm to c on z
100% of his posts are troll jobs
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:34 pm to PrimeTime Money
Okay I watched the first few minutes of the video. I understand the point you're trying to make but you highlight two specific plays (2:04 and 2:58). That's fine. But the rest of those plays are either Jordan beating his man one on one and then blowing by one or two more defenders, or him just making incredible shots against otherwise solid defense.
I'm not sure this video is a good example at all of your spacing argument, for several reasons. Firstly, Jordan was just so good that it didn't really matter what defense was played against him. There are a LOT of clips even in the first few minutes of that where there are one, two, even three defenders against him. And he still scores. shite, there is one drive where he dunks it after flying by two people with almost no space in the lane and at the rim, and several where he finishes in the lane after beating more than half of the defense. Another thing is that you act like there simply weren't double teams back then, and how Jordan would've been met at the lane in today's game and all that. My argument is that none of that matters much against a player like Jordan. He's gonna get his and go off anyway. Like Dan Patrick always said, you can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him.
So while you may have a good argument, this particular video (and possibly the fact that you chose Jordan) doesn't really back up your claims all too well.
And I'm not overly biased toward older ball either...players like Kobe or Lebron would've gone off back then just like they do today. IMO truly "great" players can eclipse defenses in any eras. Jordan scoring 50 today is a bit ridiculous obviously, but I think he'd do really well today. His assists and FTs would go way up, and he'd still get his scores because he's that fricking good.
Just my $0.02.
I'm not sure this video is a good example at all of your spacing argument, for several reasons. Firstly, Jordan was just so good that it didn't really matter what defense was played against him. There are a LOT of clips even in the first few minutes of that where there are one, two, even three defenders against him. And he still scores. shite, there is one drive where he dunks it after flying by two people with almost no space in the lane and at the rim, and several where he finishes in the lane after beating more than half of the defense. Another thing is that you act like there simply weren't double teams back then, and how Jordan would've been met at the lane in today's game and all that. My argument is that none of that matters much against a player like Jordan. He's gonna get his and go off anyway. Like Dan Patrick always said, you can't stop him, you can only hope to contain him.
So while you may have a good argument, this particular video (and possibly the fact that you chose Jordan) doesn't really back up your claims all too well.
And I'm not overly biased toward older ball either...players like Kobe or Lebron would've gone off back then just like they do today. IMO truly "great" players can eclipse defenses in any eras. Jordan scoring 50 today is a bit ridiculous obviously, but I think he'd do really well today. His assists and FTs would go way up, and he'd still get his scores because he's that fricking good.
Just my $0.02.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:42 pm to CocomoLSU
good post. i personally enjoyed being able to grow up in the 90s and experiencing that era plus being able to enjoy this current era. i think both have strengths and weaknesses and there are times i think back more fondly on the 90s era when twitter didn't exist and the nba was on nbc, shaq was in his prime, etc. for nostalgic purposes.
today's game is great. this modern era of msb nba 'guru' poster we have try too hard to flaunt this era when they really don't need too IMO. most of these guys really don't know shite either and just rehash shite they read on grantland.
someone get karma, supa and jake in here and let's talk about why the lakers got creamed by boston in 2008.
today's game is great. this modern era of msb nba 'guru' poster we have try too hard to flaunt this era when they really don't need too IMO. most of these guys really don't know shite either and just rehash shite they read on grantland.
someone get karma, supa and jake in here and let's talk about why the lakers got creamed by boston in 2008.
This post was edited on 4/17/15 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:56 pm to RTR America
Please do. You've added absolutely nothing.
Posted on 4/17/15 at 4:57 pm to ReauxlTide222
You'd have to be pretty fricking stupid to think I'm trolling this thread.
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