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re: my beef with adhd kids

Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:20 am to
Posted by boddagetta
Moulton
Member since Mar 2011
9999 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:20 am to
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Based on my 19 month old son's personality, I fully expect him to be this way.


Wow, really? He's 19 months old. Maybe he's just acting like a 19 month old.
Posted by CockHolliday
Columbia, SC
Member since Dec 2012
4530 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:21 am to
tl;d
Posted by EveryonesACoach
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
864 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:21 am to
I had the exact same experience. Started on addrall in middle school, always felt like a zombie. I took it less and less in highschool, but kept my prescription going into college for the all-nighters before exams
Posted by pankyrang78
Member since Nov 2014
40 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:23 am to
Teachers are not qualified to diagnose disorders.
Posted by summersausage
Member since Jul 2010
1829 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:23 am to
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Anyone who deals with your kid will have to be on medication. No one wants an annoying kid around them anymore.


Very true Motorboat. It only takes one kid to screw up the entire learning/teaching process and some kids just can't control themselves. Makes the job of teaching (and being your personal babysitter) very difficult at times. Most of these kids don't get the proper dealings at hope and lack the ability to understand authority in schools. But go ahead little ones, keep praising the Marshawn's of the world.
Posted by GaryMyMan
Shreveport
Member since May 2007
13498 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:24 am to
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Your kids had an unfair advantage on tests because they were on PEDs

At LSU the search for adderall just before finals week was very entertaining.
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
Member since Jan 2012
17823 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:24 am to
quote:

What happened before all of the technology of the past 100 years to kids like this? Let's explore that...

There weren't TVs, video games. An extremely active kid would have probably spent a lot of time outside playing. During this time, they learn how to do things. As they grow into adults, these kids were the active ones. They probably weren't afraid to work hard or try new ideas. I'd be willing to bet these kids grew into very productive citizens.
You forgot to mention a critical element present in the past but absent now: Discipline. In the home, and in the school.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:25 am to
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Are you saying that if you had a kid that knew the material but was getting c'a bc he couldn't concentrate, you wouldn't give him a pill that allowed him to get a's?


Absolutely
This post was edited on 3/5/15 at 8:25 am
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7662 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:26 am to
Honestly, ADHD is more than simply impulsiveness. I was diagnosed when I was 4. When I came home from the hospital, 2 days after I was born, I had red marks on my elbows and knees where I was already moving myself in the crib. Was on Ritalin from 2nd grade through 6th, then switched to an herbal which didnt work, then Adderall. I have a chemical imbalance. The majority people when they take Adderall(an amphetamine), it speeds them up and they can stay awake for hours. For me personally, it slows me way down and helps me control myself better. Including urges, such as eating food when I am bored or any number of other things. It helps my self control. Strangely enough, it also has some pain relief qualities for me.

I was born in 1986. I never had TV, barely had movies, and did not get my first video game system till I was 11(N64). I played outside all day every day. No matter how much energy I spent. I was always bouncing off the walls. I am intelligent, and yes being hyper active can be a blessing. It has been many times in my life. However sometimes it needs tempered.

If your son is being recommended for medicine, and you decide to see how he does with it. Do not put him on Ritalin. It is a growth depressant.

One other thing to watch for, and this is purely anecdotal. In my experience, those with actual chemical imbalances creating ADHD get angrier, quicker and easier, than normal kids. Not only that, things I have done personally, and seen others do, have led me to believe that those with the aforementioned imbalance receive a larger dose of adrenaline when angry. I once flipped an 800 lb hot tub, up stairs, by myself for example. When I could barely lift it before I got angry.

It is safe to get your kid checked out. Also, to at least look into treatment if he is diagnosed. If properly administered he would keep his personality, and yet do better in the classroom. Just make sure it is a good doctor.

I went back on Adderall for the first time in years 2 weeks ago, so far, so good.
This post was edited on 3/5/15 at 8:28 am
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83668 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:27 am to
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Are you saying that if you had a kid that knew the material but was getting c'a bc he couldn't concentrate, you wouldn't give him a pill that allowed him to get a's?


100% yes

jesus fricking christ

how is that even a question?
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
Member since Aug 2005
16759 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:27 am to
Of course not. But they will tell you you have to go get your kid evaluated. 9/10 times they get slapped with an ADD label. Now the school has documentation and will again toss you out if you do nothing.
Posted by DrunkerThanThou
Unfortunately Mississippi
Member since Feb 2013
2846 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:28 am to
ADD is definitely overdiagnosed but the condition ( and yes it is an actual medical condition) itself stems from a deficiency in dopamine production in the frontal cortex of the brain (science is fun!). Like 99% of everything in the universe, it's not a black or white diagnosis. It falls under a spectrum, if you can manage just fine w/out medication, way to go sport, but be aware you're using the same line of thinking as the anti vaccine crowd
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
20923 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:29 am to
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There weren't TVs, video games. An extremely active kid would have probably spent a lot of time outside playing. During this time, they learn how to do things. As they grow into adults, these kids were the active ones. They probably weren't afraid to work hard or try new ideas. I'd be willing to bet these kids grew into very productive citizens.


Well, guess what? Those days are gone. There is way more competition now and the economy has radically changed. If your kid can't be bothered to sit still and read for an hour or two, why on earth would you think he can be seriously competitive in the regular job market? You want him flipping burgers?

This post was edited on 3/5/15 at 9:12 am
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
Member since Aug 2005
16759 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:30 am to
Because you want your kid to do the best; the difference between cs and a's could mean entrance to the HS or college of your choice. Also the behavior infractions matter when applying to HS.
Posted by bigpetedatiga
Alexandria, LA
Member since Aug 2009
8631 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:30 am to
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I refuse to medicate my child for some made up disease because shitty teachers cant deal with energetic kids.


This is an extremely selfish attitude.

You may not know or care how truly disruptive a single child can be in a closed classroom setting.
Teachers are now also limited in the ways that they can handle "energetic kids."
Why should every other child have to suffer and deal with your child who cannot control themselves?
Why should teachers have the extra stress of having to constantly redirect your child and in the process interrupting their lesson?

I believe that kids today or over medicated as a whole, but some kids really do need it.


Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:31 am to
Meh, I don't see the harm, if it makes parenting easier then frick it, give them a pill. Hell if they had a pill thought taught them how to drive or where babies come from, I'd probably use that too.

Parenting is fricking tiresome, anything that helps.
Posted by bigpetedatiga
Alexandria, LA
Member since Aug 2009
8631 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:33 am to
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Because you want your kid to do the best; the difference between cs and a's could mean entrance to the HS or college of your choice. Also the behavior infractions matter when applying to HS.


This!

I preach this all the time to my students, especially the athletes.

Once you hit the 9th grade it all matters.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85466 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:33 am to
I'm just rehashing what has already been said, but my story is somewhat similar to yours. I was diagnosed with it at a young age, but I was a straight-A student. As I got into high school, my conduct was always hit or miss, but my grades never suffered, so my parents wouldn't allow me to take any meds. Same story in college.

I graduated and got a big boy job with quite a bit if autonomy, and shite hit the fan. Five months in I had built an extensive spreadsheet to rank college football teams for gambling purposes while "working" for a financial services company. Things had to change. I went to my doctor and got on Vyvanse. We started with 40mg and finally settled on 60mg a day. It has truly been life changing,and I was highly skeptical when I started.

I know, csb.

tl;dr version:

The bottom line, IMO, is that ADHD is grossly over-diagnosed and usually over-medicated, and it justly deserves the bad rap it gets. However, there are plenty of legitimate cases out there. Also, with the strides in medication, particularly Vyvanse, your personality should not be adversely affected unless you're being prescribed too much.
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
Member since Oct 2006
40828 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:33 am to
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It's easier than fighting an education system that is completely built to work in the opposite way your kid needs.


The discrepancy between girls and boys being diagnosed with this shite is pretty telling as well.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20268 posts
Posted on 3/5/15 at 8:33 am to
If my son has a chemical imbalance, then God made him that way and I refuse to medicate a change.
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