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Posted on 1/30/15 at 6:52 pm to Rex
quote:
Wasn't LeGarrette Blount a notorious fumbler before joining the Patriots?
Blount's fumbling rates per carries + receptions:
Tampa Bay: 2.0%
Pittsburg: 1.4%
New England : 1.4%
Posted on 1/30/15 at 6:54 pm to Rex
quote:I don't know for sure if it was deliberate but it wouldn't surprise me. That being said, the hackish article from the OP is so so logically, statistically, and factually flawed that it has no practical relevance to deflategate.
1) Did the Patriots deliberately deflate the footballs?
2) If yes, did they do so for a reason?
Posted on 1/30/15 at 6:56 pm to buckeye_vol
explain Ridley's fumbling issues
Posted on 1/30/15 at 6:57 pm to htran90
quote:
explain Ridley's fumbling issues
Bogies withdrawls
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:03 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
That being said, the hackish article from the OP is so so logically, statistically, and factually flawed that it has no practical relevance to deflategate.
I am reading through some of these rebuttal articles that supposedly debunk the OP... and I'm generally not impressed.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 7:45 pm to Rex
quote:
I am reading through some of these rebuttal articles that supposedly debunk the OP... and I'm generally not impressed.
I always forget just how obvious a troll you are.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:34 pm to Jcorye1
I can go into reasons the rebuttals are not impressive... e.g. the one by the Patriots fan who suggested that a "one season rolling average" (no such meaningful thing) would be as meaningful as a five year average... but you wouldn't read or comprehend them, anyway, so what's the point? You'd only continue to call me a troll despite the many points I've made across all these boards.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 8:43 pm to hikingfan
You really should ban yourself
Posted on 1/30/15 at 9:13 pm to hikingfan
quote:
There will always be an asterisk next to all of their Super Bowl wins.
How many of those occurred between 2010 and 2014?
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:00 pm to Rex
quote:He didn't advocate for a "one season rolling average" he is saying that there are meaningful patterns across seasons. Given the didferences between a team from year to year (personnel, coaches, injuries), let alone across five years, aggregating data hides meaningful variation. One of the major advantages of repeated measures studies is that it has more statistical power and can more accurately tease out trends and relationships. So given the small sample size, year to year variation, and advantages of repeated measures, it is patently false to say that the 5 year average is just as meaningful.
the one by the Patriots fan who suggested that a "one season rolling average" (no such meaningful thing) would be as meaningful as a five year average.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:06 pm to hikingfan
A deeper dive in the stats to debunk aside, the whole premise is absurd. They've been cheating for ~5 years, just never been caught until now? Ridiculous.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:11 pm to RemouladeSawce
quote:To add to that, it assumes other teams either weren't aware of this advantage or didn't attempt it because they had more integrity. Even then, if it was some clear advantage, but they didn't want to cheat, wouldn't they deflate balls to the legal minimum to at least get some of that amazing advantage?
A deeper dive in the stats to debunk aside, the whole premise is absurd. They've been cheating for ~5 years, just never been caught until now? Ridiculous.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 11:30 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
To add to that, it assumes other teams either weren't aware of this advantage or didn't attempt it because they had more integrity. Even then, if it was some clear advantage, but they didn't want to cheat, wouldn't they deflate balls to the legal minimum to at least get some of that amazing advantage?
Not neccesarily. Maybe Tom Brady is an exception in that he likes or tolerates a deflated ball where as most quarterbacks are a limiting factor to the fumbling advantage.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 12:29 am to TheSexecutioner
quote:Well the QB only accounts for a small portion of fumbles so it would have to benefit other Pats players to be as significant as this poor analysis states. And if it just happens to help all of those Patriots players, well it should help many other players around the NFL, QB or otherwise.
Not neccesarily. Maybe Tom Brady is an exception in that he likes or tolerates a deflated ball where as most quarterbacks are a limiting factor to the fumbling advantage.
Posted on 1/31/15 at 1:19 am to TheSexecutioner
The most fumble prone player on the field is the QB. Tom Brady has one of the fastest drop backs in the NFL, therefore the window for him to get hit and fumble is small. The rebuttals aren't from Pats fans. Check out Advanced NFL Analytics.
If you're still not convinced, then you don't believe in facts anyways.
If you're still not convinced, then you don't believe in facts anyways.
This post was edited on 1/31/15 at 1:20 am
Posted on 1/31/15 at 6:54 am to hikingfan
I am done fighting this nonsense but this 'theory' has been widely and vastly debunked by a broad spectrum of analysts - let Google be your friend.
Besides that, I want to taste the sweet, sweet tears of the sore losers after the Pats castrate the Crotch Grabbers tomorrow.
For the Sore Loser Babies
Besides that, I want to taste the sweet, sweet tears of the sore losers after the Pats castrate the Crotch Grabbers tomorrow.
For the Sore Loser Babies
Posted on 1/31/15 at 8:13 am to mattz1122
quote:
o0o0o0o0o0o0oooo a graph!
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