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Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:16 am to 756
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Conceding the hire of a single coach to a coordinator is reasonable
Its the head coaches call every time. For example, take Brick. Do you think Chavis showed up with him & said, "Here's our new DLine coach?" Hell, no. Chavis may have suggested him but Miles does the interviewing, hiring and firing.
If someone other than the head coach is hiring coaches, somebody is in trouble.
Ask Bill Stewart how that worked out for him at West Virginia when the AD hired Holgerson.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:26 am to colors_of_kings
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Heard this on Matt Moscona this evening.
I'm not sure we want to place too much credence on what that guy says.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:29 am to Gray Tiger
So you are comfortable with less hiring all coaches with no input from coordinator?
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:33 am to south bama tiger
...I have a want for Alleva to hit the road ....
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:41 am to 756
quote:Good Lord. People, you don't have to live at either end of the spectrum.
So you are comfortable with less hiring all coaches with no input from coordinator?
Miles has veto power on any assistant. Comes with the desk. But, I'm sure a strong DC candidate like Shoop would have tremendous opportunity to build his defensive staff with recommendations he wants. This is probably a key part of the discussions of coming on board with any proven DC. The LSU team (including Alleva) have to work out the whole solution, which involves assistants currently under contract, total recruiting horsepower (both energy level and knowledge of prime recruiting areas), and available slots for the staff. Right now, the defensive side of the ball is more or less a position short since Chavis was doing double-duty as LB coach.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:42 am to Mulat
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Mulat
My apologies for calling your assessments absurd. Think about it from a different point of view. A requirement to bring his own people says more about CP than Les. He knows Les from their Cowboys days. He knows he will not agree to it. And he's telling Les, in a not so subtle way, that he can only be successful if certain people are with him. I'd say CP fricked it up more than Les.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:59 am to jonboy
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'd say CP fricked it up more than Les.
I follow what you are saying, don't agree but I follow.
My experience with success as a supervisor is to hire good people, listen to them, gather the things they tell you they need to do their job to reach the results you want.
Evaluate, adjust and move on.
It appears whether it is Alleva's fault or anyone else's, he is being told he can't have the tools he needs to do the job and he, WISELY, said no thanks
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:04 am to Mulat
We have a winner
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:10 am to TigerFan244
Honestly, he probably wanted way too much money.
The coaches have the upperhand - the big money agents have pretty much hit the ceiling for HCs - now they're pushing the envelope for assistants.
"Whatever the market will bear" - that, coupled with his desire to pursue one of these NFL spots in the coming carousel.
The coaches have the upperhand - the big money agents have pretty much hit the ceiling for HCs - now they're pushing the envelope for assistants.
"Whatever the market will bear" - that, coupled with his desire to pursue one of these NFL spots in the coming carousel.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:13 am to Ace Midnight
So what you are saying is Aleva does not want the best but the best at the price he wants to pay.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:21 am to jonboy
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Noone has been hired.
Not familiar with this guy. Where has he coached before?
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:25 am to MountainTiger
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Where has he coached before?
The University of Auto Correct and Swype.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:30 am to Mulat
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he is being told he can't have the tools he needs to do the job
It cuts both ways....he's not going into a situation that is a complete rebuild. He would be taking over a relatively successful - reputation wise at least - staff and defensive team.
I know you don't hire people, put them in charge of your most successful operation and let them clean house?
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:30 am to Ace Midnight
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The coaches have the upperhand - the big money agents have pretty much hit the ceiling for HCs - now they're pushing the envelope for assistants.
yeah I believe this also
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:30 am to jonboy
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Former USC and NFL defensive coordinator Clancy Pendergast is no longer a candidate for the same job at LSU, sources told NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune Monday.
Pendergast, out of coaching for the 2014 season, did not have enough familiarity with the SEC and recruiting in the South to encourage LSU coach Les Miles to bring him aboard after meeting with him over the weekend, the sources said.
LINK
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:30 am to ApexTiger
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but because our assistants just signed extensions that creates a real problem for Les to get the DC he wants
i don't think this has anything to do with it.
It's Les' desire not to blow up the staff from a recruiting standpoint. I can't really disagree.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:32 am to 756
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So what you are saying is Aleva does not want the best but the best at the price he wants to pay.
I don't want to seem crass, but everyone is that way with every purchase - or, at least smart people are.
However, at a certain point you have to pony up more for better performance - that's just the facts of the market.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:33 am to Mulat
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Really you think so. You decide then. If an employer hires you to do a job, whatever you are currently competent in, and then hobbles your attempts to do the job, how is that going to go?
meh
LSU is looking for a coordinator who can step into a stable environment and produce results.
If Pendergast came in and said, "I can't be successful without my own staff...and none of my staff has ever recruited in the south", then that's a reflection on Pendergast. And, it makes complete sense that Miles didn't see it as a good fit.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:44 am to beaver
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he cooled on you according to your beat writers
ETA: ok, downvote me all you want but tell me where I'm wrong
LOL.
There is no way to dress up this disaster.
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