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Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:27 pm to PrimeTime Money
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They may have been justified in arresting him, but they could have gone about it without choking him out.
And his previous record is irrelevant in this instance.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:28 pm to motionmagic
He is black and the police are involved, therefore it is the fault of the police. That is how it works.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:29 pm to motionmagic
"If the po-lese have to come get you, they gonna' bring an arse-kicking with them!" - Chris Rock
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:29 pm to SG_Geaux
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He is black and the police are involved, therefore it is the fault of the police. That is how it works
Oh ok, so you want to live in a society where illegal cigarette sales are punishable by death. Got it.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:33 pm to REG861
quote:One of the stupidest conclusions I've ever read on the Poli Board. And that's quite an accomplishment.....
so you want to live in a society where illegal cigarette sales are punishable by death.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:35 pm to REG861
Michael Browns reputation was important to gauge the situation. Since Garners arrest was on video we clearly see the police behavior as aggressive and negligent, and choking out the man. He should have been arrested but not gang tackled and choked out.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:37 pm to motionmagic
This was not police brutality.
This was not racially motivated.
This was a tragic death because someone who broke the law and resisted arrest was too fragile and died accidentally.
I could see a lawsuit because of the incorrect procedure used in the "choke hold" contributing to his death.
This was not racially motivated.
This was a tragic death because someone who broke the law and resisted arrest was too fragile and died accidentally.
I could see a lawsuit because of the incorrect procedure used in the "choke hold" contributing to his death.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:39 pm to WalkingTurtles
quote:How would you have handled it when you (as the policeman did) asked him to turn around and put his hands behind him and the guy refused to do so? Would you say 'pretty please, kind sir'?
He should have been arrested but not gang tackled and choked out.
And when he still refused, you'd say, 'okay, I'll be on my now since you refuse to let me arrest you'?
Okay, I can see how that might have worked.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:40 pm to motionmagic
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This was a tragic death because someone who broke the law and resisted arrest was too fragile and died accidentally.
No, it's a tragic death because New York law requires police officers to make arrests for a trivial crime like selling untaxed cigarettes and this could have been avoided altogether had such a stupid law not existed.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:42 pm to REG861
Then why has this become a race issue?
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No, it's a tragic death because New York law requires police officers to make arrests for a trivial crime like selling untaxed cigarettes and this could have been avoided altogether had such a stupid law not existed.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:43 pm to LSURussian
I am a small- government conservative who believes the government is terribly inefficient and liable to trample on the liberties of the individual.
Except the police and military. They can do no wrong and get the benefit of the doubt every time. And all laws written are perfect barometers of morality and if you disagree, you are a thug. And If you are caught selling an object without the governments permission, it's your own fault if the government kills you.
Except the police and military. They can do no wrong and get the benefit of the doubt every time. And all laws written are perfect barometers of morality and if you disagree, you are a thug. And If you are caught selling an object without the governments permission, it's your own fault if the government kills you.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:43 pm to LSURussian
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One of the stupidest conclusions I've ever read on the Poli Board. And that's quite an accomplishment.....
Sorry, but a man died because New York was enforcing loose cigarette sales like it was some serious criminal offense. Can't help if you're in denial.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:44 pm to motionmagic
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Then why has this become a race issue?
Only because it was on the heels of the Michael Brown thing. Proximity to that (not that I'm excusing that). It should be an issue of police overreach, which has been well documented across the country.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 6:48 pm to REG861
quote:I don't deny that a man died.
a man died because New York was enforcing loose cigarette sales like it was some serious criminal offense. Can't help if you're in denial.
What was stupid about your post is your conclusion that the man was intentionally killed for selling cigarettes.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:09 pm to REG861
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No, it's a tragic death because New York law requires police officers to make arrests for a trivial crime like selling untaxed cigarettes and this could have been avoided altogether had such a stupid law not existed.
If such trivial forms of contraband were not available to Garner to sell and make profit, do you think he would have been working a 9 to 5 instead or would he go after illicit gain in some other form?
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:09 pm to Jim Rockford
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If you don't hold law enforcement to a standard when dealing with Everyone, pretty soon they won't be held to a standard when dealing with Anyone. As we've seen over and over.
I have not seen this "over and over" = All I have seen are ridiculous faux 'outrage' over stupid instances like Michael Brown and now Eric Garner.
There was a legal reason to arrest Garner. He resisted arrest. His own health problems led to his death. Period - end of story.
There are three ways to have avoided this = 1) don't commit crimes, 2) don't resist arrest, 3) don't let your self get into such bad shape that you die while making two consecutive bad decisions.
Without being able to see into the future, there is nothing the cops could have done better to avoid this.
1 - if Garner had run, he would have probably dropped dead from the exercise.
2 - If they had Tazed Garner, that would probably have stopped his heart or he could have broken his head when he hit the concrete, or his weight could have caused him to stop berating when he fell to the concrete.
3) - they could have backed off and shot him.
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so you fill in what they could have done with this obese 6'5" man with asthma and heart trouble who was violating the law?
Just ignore it? ==== that would be the best thing to do, but then you have to go to Mayor DeBlasio and ask HIM why he ordered them to arrest the man?
OR - do you think DeBlasio's orders said something like "I want these tax-evading illegal cigarette sellers arrested - UNLESS you think they are unwilling to be arrested"
SO = what SHOULD the cops have done??
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:16 pm to KCT
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Funny how it's almost never the pillars of the community who get into these incidents, isn't it?
Yeah, funny how people get killed by police for minor crimes like selling loose cigarettes
Or staying in a movie theater to watch the movie over again when you are mentally handicapped
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:19 pm to Pettifogger
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Chucky Johnson/DR
This.
Nobody with even a shred of integrity or fairness even gives his bullshite a few seconds worth of reading.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:28 pm to motionmagic
I saw his wife interviewed on "Meet the Press" I felt a little less sorry for the guy after that interview. He didn't deserve to die but he made bad decision after bad decision. His wife warned him over and over not sell ciggs on that street. Begged him to do something else. She said he had asthma and couldn't work at with the Parks Dept. because it made him sick. I don't know why working with the Parks Dept would make him sick. She even admitted that he was a lazy man with a Police record.
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