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re: Why is Texas so eager to execute an insane person?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:07 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:07 pm to Big Scrub TX
Dude (the author) looks Sandusky-esque.
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Big Scrub TX
Being from Texas, you should know why they are going to carry this through. You've posted an opinion piece which is (as usual) slanted to favor your narrative.
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Who would benefit from Panetti's extermination? Would it protect society? Panetti is already sequestered from society, and should be forever. Would his execution serve as a deterrent?
Unfortunately for Panetti, the point of execution isn't to serve as a deterrent, but as punishment fitting for the crime committed. One could argue that keeping him locked up in solitary is inhumane amirite?
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:10 pm to SSpaniel
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in 1992, Panetti gunned down the mother and father of his estranged wife in cold blood
That's why. What's the problem, exactly?
"It certainly would not give comfort to Sonja Alvarado, his former wife and the daughter of his victims, who filed a petition stating that because of his paranoid delusions at the time of the murders, he should never have been tried."
I really dont see what executing him will do. I'm not interested in executing people who are clearly and deeply mentally ill. It's amazing how some of the self-described 'conservatives' here put so much faith in our massive and overextended criminal justice system. Y'all never want to admit that an innocent person could have been executed or that an execution may not have been justified. I'm sure you were the same people saying "just execute him already" when Cameron Todd Wilingham was on death row, and now 20 years later after the fact, y'all condemn it.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:37 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Anyone - sane or insane - who commits that act deserves to die ASAP. Mental status be damned.
Panetti gunned down the mother and father of his estranged wife in cold blood.
IMO
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:38 pm to REG861
Want to argue about the merits of the death penalty? Find guys who look innocent.
Most poster boys for the anti death penalty movement are real shitbirds like this guy and Tookie Williams, who founded a major street gang and clearly killed people but OMG he deserves to be spared because he wrote a book 5 people read.
Hell, we just had the thread here recently where it was revealed how the death penalty opponents pretty much hustled a crackhead into taking credit for a murder their guy committed in order to find the mythical innocent man on death row.
Most poster boys for the anti death penalty movement are real shitbirds like this guy and Tookie Williams, who founded a major street gang and clearly killed people but OMG he deserves to be spared because he wrote a book 5 people read.
Hell, we just had the thread here recently where it was revealed how the death penalty opponents pretty much hustled a crackhead into taking credit for a murder their guy committed in order to find the mythical innocent man on death row.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:40 pm to constant cough
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Why is Texas so eager to execute an insane person?
Practice
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:44 pm to Wtodd
they just delayed teh execution. breaking news
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:50 pm to REG861
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I really dont see what executing him will do.
Punish him for the crime he committed.
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I'm not interested in executing people who are clearly and deeply mentally ill.
And what then, are we to do when enough lawyers and judges decide that it is impossible for a person to commit heinous acts without being mentally ill? Wouldn't it take a certain amount of mental illness to rape and murder a woman? How about sexually abusing a child? Can a sane person starve a child to death? If it would make you mentally ill to watch your child die of a preventable illness, wouldn't you have to be mentally ill to deny that child medical care? See where that takes us? How many mental institutions would you like to build to house these mentally ill criminals? Or do we treat their illness and turn them loose on society?
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It's amazing how some of the self-described 'conservatives' here put so much faith in our massive and overextended criminal justice system. Y'all never want to admit that an innocent person could have been executed or that an execution may not have been justified.
I have a dollar that says you have never heard another person, conservative or otherwise, claim that the criminal justice system we live under is perfect, and has never made mistakes. The truth is, our system is a compromise between fairness to the victim, and fairness to the accused. By definition, nobody gets everything they want in a compromise, which is precisely the way it should be. In a free society, that's about as good as it gets, warts and all.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 2:12 pm to teke184
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Want to argue about the merits of the death penalty? Find guys who look innocent.
I just did - his name is Cameron Todd Willingham.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 2:13 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Why is Texas so eager to execute an insane person?
Same reason a kid decapitates bugs when playing out in the yard... Because he can and it excites him.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 2:15 pm to teke184
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Most poster boys for the anti death penalty movement are real shitbirds like this guy and Tookie Williams, who founded a major street gang and clearly killed people but OMG he deserves to be spared because he wrote a book 5 people read.
Or maybe they're the ones in Louisiana I've spoken to and studied, who have been exonerated after 10 or 20+ years by DNA evidence, despite people like yourself saying the whole time "they got their due process, let's fry 'em, derp derp derp." People get exonerated from death row somewhat frequently these days.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 2:17 pm to Big Scrub TX
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in 1992, Panetti gunned down
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so eager to execute
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:03 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Because he can and it excites him.
What if we said that about abortionists, VB?
Is that more or less offensive to your delicate sensibilities on the death penalty?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:10 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Did you even read the article? At the time, he was already crippled with schizophrenia. He had been hospitalized 14 times. These were the acts of a sick person. His ex-wife - the daughter of his victims - has pled for clemency. Perhaps that's because she understands debilitating mental illness and its effects. This wasn't some gang banger who pretended to be crazy at trial. Basically nobody disputes that he is and was extremely mentally ill.
Texas goes by the McNaughton rules. If he was legally responsible then tough shite. Less than one percent of one percent succeed in an insanity defense. Just because this guy was sick (to some degree) does not mean he did not know what he was doing.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:14 pm to idlewatcher
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Panetti is already sequestered from society
So were the Texas 7. Didn't stop them from escaping and killing Officer Hawkins.
I support the death penalty. But Panetti really does appear to be bat poop crazy. The press release from Abbott's office mentions his delusions. And delusional people can do things that require a lot of thought beforehand, which they do--in the alternative reality in which they often live.
This was also back in the day when we didn't have Life Without Parole as an option. If he had done his crime recently, he'd probably get LWOP.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:16 pm to Ace Midnight
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What if we said that about abortionists, VB?
Abortionists are helping women practice birth control. Executioners are killing people on behalf of the state. Kinda like Pontius Pilate.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:17 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Why is Texas so eager to execute an insane person?
Why tax carbon dioxide when there is no Global Warming?
The answer is the same:
Why not?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:19 pm to REG861
There's a huge difference between Willingham and Panetti.
Willingham's case turns on whether he actually did kill his kids in a house fire. I personally think he did--there's plenty of evidence IMO to show he told different stories to different people about what happened, thus leading me to doubt his innocence.
With Panetti, no one doubts he did what he did. The question with him is did he do what he did because he was evil, or because he was insane?
Willingham's case turns on whether he actually did kill his kids in a house fire. I personally think he did--there's plenty of evidence IMO to show he told different stories to different people about what happened, thus leading me to doubt his innocence.
With Panetti, no one doubts he did what he did. The question with him is did he do what he did because he was evil, or because he was insane?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:28 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Same reason a kid decapitates bugs when playing out in the yard... Because he can and it excites him.
How often do you see children giving bugs 20 years of due process before executing them?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:29 pm to cave canem
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Are you for capital punishment in any case?
Nope.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:36 pm to Stlsport
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How often do you see children giving bugs 20 years of due process before executing them?
Due Process means letting someone with obvious mental illness 'represent' themselves (and proceed to babble incoherently about Satan) rather than appoint a sane, court-ordered attorney ?
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