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re: Read this and explain to me how Darren Wilson is not charged with something

Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:20 pm to
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

how Darren Wilson is not charged with something


You see this tossed around in some high profile cases. Just like the Zimmerman trial.

What exactly is "something"? Do you just want the guy to go to prison for anything because you think he didn't give the guy enough chances? MB attacked a police officer in his patrol vehicle. This is not an individual you give chance #2 to get his hands on you.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7184 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:22 pm to
"As to whether he should be charged with something....when I first heard the story, I thought probably yes. After hearing the next wave of information, I thought probably not. Now I have no real idea what happened that day, and likely never will."

I am right there with you. I will try to read the entire linked piece later tonight.

Indictment is a pretty low standard, so I will tend to believe it was a "good shooting" if the grand jury does not indict but who is to say they will get it right?
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:29 pm to
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64673 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:34 pm to
quote:

whether the guy was, in fact, fleeing at the time he was killed, or whether he was, as some have said, charging at Wilson. Two way different scenarios


I agree. But after I saw the attitude and actions of Brown during the strong armed robbery just moments before this incident I lean towards charging the cop in anger not running away in fear.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:47 pm to
quote:

casting a harsh light on the disproportionate number of black men killed by police, on St. Louis County’s exploitative and racially discriminatory municipal court system, and on the militarization of law enforcement.


quote:

high hopes for college bound son



Are we suppose to read what follows with the open mind the author left at the door? Just curious
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
22782 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:47 pm to
quote:

Don't get your panties in a wad. I simply checked your source. It's extreme left wing. Therefore, don't believe it. Next question?


What is wrong with some of you? Is reading anything beyond a Tigerdroppings post that difficult that you can't even get past the name on your computers address bar?

Every piece of the article is cited to the news source it orginated from. There is hardly any opinion in the piece at all, just varying degrees of eyewitness testimony.

It's an excellent aggregation of all the associated witnesses and news stories to date. And well written to, no matter what side of the case you are on.

When I clicked it, I thought left wing rag. Then I actually read it (you should try that sometime), and it's perfectly written and sourced. The author never infers anything about the "crime" itself. His ONLY speculation or commentary is about past racial tensions in the area.


My interpretation? The kid was a punk who attacked a cop. The cop definitly acted excessively after the kid ran, but the law of the state is enough to cover him against any punishment. Thus, no charges.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 4:52 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111802 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:48 pm to
quote:

Indictment is a pretty low standard, so I will tend to believe it was a "good shooting" if the grand jury does not indict but who is to say they will get it right?


Didn't Wilson testify to the GJ? This wasn't an ordinary GJ proceeding, FWIW.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29843 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:49 pm to
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37303 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

I am just trying to predict based on the reported witness statements (not under oath, I note).


There's been a lot of talk that the witness statements, under oath, are somewhat different than the witness statements, not under oath.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:09 pm to
quote:

It's an excellent aggregation of all the associated witnesses and news stories to date.


Um no.

And well written to, no matter what side of the case you are on.

quote:

The author never infers anything about the "crime" itself.


Article entitled "Downright Murder" does not attempt to influence? LOL

quote:

His ONLY speculation or commentary is about past racial tensions in the area.


and laws favoring cops and ignoring witnesses the reports of 7 witenesses supporting the cop version, the official autopsy etc....
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:12 pm to
THE WITNESS TESTIMONY IS COMPLETE bullshite ALL OTHER EVIDENCE POINTS TO WILSON BEING 100% INNOCENT YOU IDIOTS ARE WRONG ON THIS ONE GET A NEW PET ISSUE JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
22782 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:13 pm to
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and ignoring witnesses the reports of 7 witenesses supporting the cop version, the official autopsy etc




quote:

In late October, Brown’s official autopsy was leaked to the Post Dispatch. The 16-page report said that Brown had been shot nine times. Three of the shots entered Brown’s head — once in the top of the head, once in the right eye, and once in the “right central forehead” — two entered the chest, three entered the right arm, and one entered his right hand, “near his thumb and palm.”

“The official report notes an absence of stippling, powder burns around a wound that indicate a shot fired at relatively short range,” the paper reported.


quote:

The day after the private autopsy results were revealed, a caller identifying herself as “Josie” phoned into The Dana Show, a conservative talk-radio program, and said she was a friend of Wilson’s. In a six-minute interview, Josie offered the officer’s version of the shooting, which largely foreshadowed the account Wilson ultimately gave to the grand jury.

were walking in the middle of the street,” Josie began. “[Wilson] rolled his window down and said, ‘Come on guys. Get out of the street.’ They refused to and were yelling back, saying we’re almost where we’re going and there was some cussing involved.”

Josie said Wilson had pulled ahead of the young men when he received a call over the radio about a strong-arm robbery. According to Josie, Brown and Johnson fit the description broadcast over the radio. “He goes in reverse back to them, tries to get out of his car, they slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did,” Josie said.

“Then he opens his car again and tries to get out and as he stands up Michael just bum rushes him, and just shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face and then of course Darren grabs for his gun and Michael grabs the gun,” Josie added. “At one point he’s got the gun totally turned against his hip and then he shoves it away and the gun goes off.”

“Michael takes off with his friend,” she said. “They get to be about 35 feet away and Darren, of course protocol is to pursue. So he stands up and yells, ‘Freeze!’ Michael and his friend turn around and Michael starts taunting him. ‘Oh, what are you going to do about it? You’re not gonna shoot me.’”

“And then he said all of a sudden [Brown] just started to bum rush him,” Josie said. “He just started coming at him full speed so [Wilson] he just started shooting and he just kept coming. So [Wilson] really thinks [Brown] was on something because he just kept coming. It was unbelievable. And then so he finally ended up, the final shot was in the forehead and then he fell about 2, 3 feet in front of the officer.”


Eyewitness for the officer and the official autopsy report?


quote:

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Fair point. There are more witnesses that could have been quoted.


ETA: No idea why my formatting is so jacked.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 5:16 pm
Posted by tiderider
Member since Nov 2012
7703 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:14 pm to
i think he did it .. he's got blood on his hands ...

Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:23 pm to
quote:


I don't know enough to say what did or did not happen.


My best guess:

Wilson is an a-hole cop that MAY have acted precipitously.

Brown was an a-hole thug that MAY have acted provocatively



There is a legal process and a grand jury that will have heard much more evidence and I'll respect their decision.


However, in any case, acting like a wild pack of criminal assholes is a bad look (for both sides)

I couldn't have said it better myself.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25259 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 5:39 pm to
Well... if Wilson did manage to hit his man that many times at 35 ft away, we should be talking about his excellent marksmanship. I mean a shooting situation, something most cops can go their entire career without having, is notorious for throwing off your aim. That is some damn fine shooting in a stressful situation.

Also I have no idea who is right or who is wrong, but from what I have read as far as forensic evidence I have to lean towards the cop on this one. There are plenty of better cases out there to point to police being over eager to shoot at someone.
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
17815 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 6:15 pm to
baybeefeetz


How long have you served as a peace officer ? Do you know the first thing about protocol in a deadly force encounter ? I'll answer both for you, ZERO.

If a perpetrator attempts to disarm you (we don't know yet but what was leaked showed there was a struggle for the weapon and shots fired inside the vehicle w/ Brown's blood on it) it is called a DEADLY FORCE encounter....... Now, if you are able to survive and maintain control, while creating distance, you are to announce to the perp that he is UNDER ARREST (as he committed a felony - attemtped disarming of a peace officer). If he does not comply and subsequently engages you again (whether he's 10 feet or 25 feet from you) he's coming to TAKE YOUR WEAPON AGAIN ! You are TAUGHT to SHOOT for center mass to stop the threat, if threat continues you may and have every right to attempt a HEAD SHOT to immediately stop the threat. Does this spell it out to you ? I don't know if this happened, but the distance is irrelevant if the perp continued to engage the officer after he already attempted to disarm him. As for as Johnson as a witness, well he has ZERO credibility as he has been proven to be a previous liar with a criminal record, while the autopsy disproving his accounts.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24922 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 6:22 pm to
quote:

Considering how cops almost always get off, I will assume he is not indicted. And I really have little to no respect for our judicial system.


I think there is a tremendous amount of pressure for the grand jury to indict. If I was on that grand jury, I would vote to idict if there was even a scintilla of doubt about whether or not Officer Wilson was guilty. I wouldn't want to put me or my family at risk by voting not to. Let's have a shite show trial and get all the evidence out in the open.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
4984 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 6:33 pm to
quote:

Was he coming at Wilson? From how far away? Should Wilson really have thought Brown posed a risk of serious bodiliy injury or death to him if he had only "stumbled" toward him, as some have said.


A three hundred pound monster punches you in the eye, grabs for your gun, takes off running then in a split second, charges back at you. You have less than 15 seconds to react.

Whadda ya do?
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
17815 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 6:38 pm to
quote:

A three hundred pound monster punches you in the eye, grabs for your gun, takes off running then in a split second, charges back at you. You have less than 15 seconds to react.

Whadda ya do?



Most of the comments on this topic are like the idiots that think they could have performed better than pro athletes in game situations. It's comical.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35509 posts
Posted on 11/20/14 at 6:46 pm to
There should be enough to grant an indictment, if not an actual guilty verdict. Obviously the background on the prosecutor is bad and he should have never been on this case.

If anything we need to get a full account of the witness statements in public, under oath.
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