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Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:28 am to Hawkeye95
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They are setting up the blame obama strategy for 2016 and beyond.
I'm quite sure you know better than this.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:28 am to BugAC
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Your thoughts? Or does that completely destroy your talking points?
Are you seriously trying to argue that either of the two major political parties care at all about the deficit beyond using it as a talking point to get elected?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:29 am to FT
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FT
Do you have any idea what an outlay is?
I would think you would, if you are trying to talk about deficit. Future outlays as of FEBRUARY 4, 2014 outpace Federal Revenues by 3.1%. How does that A) decrease the deficit or B) decrease the debt?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:30 am to 90proofprofessional
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I'm quite sure you know better than this.
I'm quite sure that republicans will pull out the blame obama card, especially if they win the presidency in 2016.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:32 am to Green Chili Tiger
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Are you seriously trying to argue that either of the two major political parties care at all about the deficit beyond using it as a talking point to get elected?
Ah, there it is, deflection. You say my facts and backpeddled. You responded to FT's question of
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Why aren't Republicans talking about the deficit?
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Because they don't give a shite about the deficit.
Who were you talking about? We all know you were directing that at Republicans. After all, that's what this thread is about. Yet when i show you facts from the CBO, you say "well they are all crooks". That is chickenshit backpeddling at it's finest.
Admit when you are wrong. It shows character.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:33 am to Hawkeye95
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I'm quite sure that republicans will pull out the blame obama card, especially if they win the presidency in 2016.
1. Is he responsible for current law? If not, how does he get credit for temporary-by-design lower deficits right now?
2. If R's take the WH in 2016 and WHEN the deficits start climbing again, watch the Dems be all like LOL REPUBLICANS INCREASING THE DEFICIT
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 10:34 am
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:33 am to FT
Classic example of Rule #10.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:36 am to 90proofprofessional
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1. Is he responsible for current law? If not, how does he get credit for temporary-by-design lower deficits right now?
I would actually argue that congress is more responsible for spending than the presidency. But obama should get some credit for reduciton of the deficit over the last 4 years.
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2. If R's take the WH in 2016 and WHEN the deficits start climbing again, watch the Dems be all like LOL REPUBLICANS INCREASING THE DEFICIT
fo sho. The democrats are going to steal the republican strategy of throwing shite at everything. Its really going to piss republicans off when they start.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:37 am to Hawkeye95
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I'm quite sure that republicans will pull out the blame obama card, especially if they win the presidency in 2016.
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The Budget and Economic Outlook: 2014 to 2024
Report
February 4, 2014
Kind of hard to blame the GOP when the CBO's own budget estimates based on Continuing resolutions passed by the Senate (because Reid won't bring the House budget to a vote).
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:37 am to Hawkeye95
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If they talked about the deficit, they would have to give props to obama.
Why? These are Congress's budgets have have been in place. None of Obama's proposed budgets were enacted.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:37 am to FT
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You have to overcome the deficit before you can overcome the debt.
Are you projecting a surplus anytime soon?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:38 am to FT
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In dollar terms, 2014 was the lowest federal deficit since 2008. And in the category most important to economists – the deficit as a percent of Gross Domestic Product – the 2014 deficit was 2.8 percent of GDP, the smallest since 2007.
There are several ways to look at this.
Here's the most important way to look at it:
Under this President and the Democrat Congress we saw the largest increase in deficit spending ever and the largest deficit spending ever. Even though spending has been cut drastically from its high, it's still well above any deficit run in the past 20+ years (yes, that includes Bush II). Trying to praise the current deficit is like saying the prostitute with the least amount of STD's isn't as bad as the others just because she has only AIDS instead of AIDS + gonorrhea.
Fail. Just... fail.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:39 am to Hawkeye95
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But obama should get some credit for reduciton of the deficit over the last 4 years.
Deficit reduction has only occurred over the last year. Not 4 years.
What about the future DEDICATED outlays vs. revenue due to the administrations current spending policies? Or do those get ignored?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:39 am to goatmilker
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Has your leader passed a budget to talk about for this year?
How about any year he was president?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:39 am to GumboPot
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Why? These are Congress's budgets have have been in place. None of Obama's proposed budgets were enacted.
so wait, if that is the case then is the deficit in 09-10 obama's fault? If he gets no credit for the reduction, he cannot get any blame for the increase.
I mean maybe in cognitive dissonance world of conservatives it can happen but no rational person would agree.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:41 am to Hawkeye95
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If they talked about the deficit, they would have to give props to obama.
Why? Because he was able to cut back much of the deficit he and the Democrat Congress created? So we get taken three steps toward financial ruin and one of the main architects should be praised for taking a step or two back before taking the next step forward?
Is today Mathless Friday or something?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:43 am to FT
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In dollar terms, 2014 was the lowest federal deficit since 2008. And in the category most important to economists – the deficit as a percent of Gross Domestic Product – the 2014 deficit was 2.8 percent of GDP, the smallest since 2007
So, if I understand this, it took Obama 6 years to get back to where Bush was?
And, does this "great news" take into account the hated sequester's role, as well as the fact that the accounting tricks start failing in 2-3 years and the deficit starts going up again?
But, by all means, put a few more strokes into that Obama handjob. I don't think you have jizz covering your left eye yet.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 10:43 am to BugAC
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Deficit reduction has only occurred over the last year. Not 4 years.
Bullfrickingshit
LINK
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2009 $1413 Billion Deficit $1559.6 Billion Deficit
2010 $1294 Billion Deficit $1404.99 Billion Deficit
2011 $1299 Billion Deficit $1367.37 Billion Deficit
2012 $1100 Billion Deficit $1134.02 Billion Deficit
2013 $680 Billion Deficit $691.06 Billion Deficit
2014 $492 Billion Deficit $492 Billion Deficit
or here (numbers are the same)
LINK
To have any credibility, you need to say - I am wrong, it has reduced
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What about the future DEDICATED outlays vs. revenue due to the administrations current spending policies? Or do those get ignored?
I don't put too much stock in CBO projections. neither should you. But yes we are 100% completely fricked.
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