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re: Why aren't Republicans talking about the deficit?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:01 pm to FT
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:01 pm to FT
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Meanwhile the deficit is falling, and you hate that you can't still complain about it. It's like I said a few weeks ago. Obama will end his presidency with ~46% approval and will have a reasonably good legacy and approval in a few years, after people can look back on him without a Republican having a meltdown ever few seconds.
Meanwhile you're still obfuscating and not admitting blatant errors of fact.
I complained about the deficit under Bush, so I can remained ideogically consistent and complain about the worst President for both deficits and debt ever. Not sure how that's a problem for me.
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Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:01 pm to FT
Pretty entertaining thread, where the chosen one is parlaying one of the most horrible administrations in Republican history and creating a narrow window for a talking point that everyone knows will have to be addressed after said chosen one leaves office.
Couple that with an unsustainable piece of legislation built on willful deceit and you've got a pretty good recipe for a-hole
Couple that with an unsustainable piece of legislation built on willful deceit and you've got a pretty good recipe for a-hole
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:02 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:You are talking about yourself right? I agree wholeheartedly.
The cognitive dissonance here is mind blowing!
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:03 pm to Hawkeye95
The deficit is coming back to 08/09 levels right?
Spending is increasing right?
And 7 trillion in debt has been added right?
Is all that correct?
Not trying to badger but I'm not up on macro eco but I read this entire dang thread and is the above right?
Spending is increasing right?
And 7 trillion in debt has been added right?
Is all that correct?
Not trying to badger but I'm not up on macro eco but I read this entire dang thread and is the above right?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:04 pm to FT
Is VOR still around? How about Tuba? We need a liberal that can stay on topic. All this catalogued stalker-like focus on the perceived traits of Your Humble Pimpness....*notgay...is creeping me the frick out.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:07 pm to Hawkeye95
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Yall can conveniently ignore the facts
Can't speak for others, but here are the relevant facts as I see them:
- Structural deficit drivers have been made worse by ACA, and have otherwise not been improved by Obama. This will be continually additionally compounded by the bad-faith provision that yielded the "doc fix."
- Only by comparing his years to Bush's worst do any of our recent ones look good. Even in his better years for the economy, on deficits, Bush sucked. This is now the standard for "good job"?
- These temporary deficit lows cannot be sustained much past 2015 without either tax increases or significant cutting of our major programs, barring some unexpected economic boom.
Since deficits "matter" to me only insofar as they affect our long-term debt profile and reflect the direction of the long-term effect of our chosen policies (unless we expect borrowing costs to suddenly explode), and the long-term picture has been in fact worsened by Obama, no, not "good job".
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:09 pm to Hawkeye95
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* Fact: Republicans cannot say - Good Job Obama on the deficit.
So in a nutshell, how was this deficit obtained? Less spending, more taxes being paid, or both?
Thanks.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:09 pm to Lsupimp
Cutting deficit spending would be ill advised.
1. Tax Reform
2. Infrastructure
3. Min Wage
4. Immigration
5. ObamaCare
These are the major issues for GOP to solve.
1. Tax Reform
2. Infrastructure
3. Min Wage
4. Immigration
5. ObamaCare
These are the major issues for GOP to solve.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:10 pm to Bard
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A pic too big for the page
That is awesome
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:11 pm to 90proofprofessional
I'll take Unfunded Government Liabilities created since Obama was elected in 2008 and their catastrophic effect on the federal debt in the future, for $500 Alex.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:14 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:What years are you talking about? 2010 on? I wonder who controlled Congress then? Hmm? I'm gonna have to look that up.
The budget has gotten in a much better state than it was a few years ago.
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You could just say "Obama has done a good job getting the deficit down" but you literally can't.
Do you really think Obama gives a flying frick about deficit spending or the debt? Seriously? Have you seen the size of his proposed budgets? Not a single fricking Democrat voted for them. If not for Congress, he would have spent even more than the record deficits he owns.
You are fricking delusional.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:15 pm to TOKEN
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Cutting deficit spending would be ill advised.
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1. Tax Reform
Agreed
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2. Infrastructure
Don't really know what needs to be solved here. We have annual spending budgets for federal and state. I don't know why this needs to be increased.
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3. Min Wage
Absolutely does not need to be fricked with. Will result in higher cost of goods and services at the expense of the consumer. Will harm the economy.
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4. Immigration
Again, not an issue. As long as you ENFORCE the existing laws, the issue will sort itself out. But having an AG not willing to do his job harms the country.
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5. ObamaCare
Dismantle, destroy, and kill it with fire. Replace it with the American Health Care Reform act.
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Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:18 pm to Lsupimp
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I'll take Unfunded Government Liabilities created since Obama was elected in 2008 and their catastrophic effect on the federal debt in the future, for $500 Alex.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:24 pm to BugAC
Minimum Wage and Immigration are 2 issues the GOP needs off the tablle for 2016.
Infrastructure on US waterways is critical to economic growth but expensive. The 3 trillion in business overseas need to come back home. This is where we have to invest.
You can't repeal ObamaCare but since spending is attached to mandate then reconciliation can be used to stop the individual mandate.
Infrastructure on US waterways is critical to economic growth but expensive. The 3 trillion in business overseas need to come back home. This is where we have to invest.
You can't repeal ObamaCare but since spending is attached to mandate then reconciliation can be used to stop the individual mandate.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:26 pm to TOKEN
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since spending is attached to mandate then reconciliation can be used to stop the individual mandate.
Holy shite can you imagine the rage that would incite
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:29 pm to TOKEN
quote:No one gives a shite about this. The couple of states that passed it recently, watch the results of that. Nothing but price increases on everything.
Minimum Wage
quote:Secure the border, start deporting. Not all, but alot. Majority of Americans don't want to be over run by illegals.
Immigration
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:36 pm to bhtigerfan
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start deporting. Not all, but alot
Has been done before (re: Operation Wetback & Mexican Repatriation). Controversial, but the programs worked for as long as they were maintained (which wasn't long).
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:38 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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There's some other stuff going on. But if you want to beat off to Obama's "accomplishment" of returning our deficit to its outrageously high Bush levels, after having racked up $7T in debt over 6 years, go right ahead.
Where have I mentioned Obama or any accomplishments in this thread?
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:41 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Green Chili Tiger
This post was edited on 11/14/14 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 11/14/14 at 12:45 pm to 90proofprofessional
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- Structural deficit drivers have been made worse by ACA, and have otherwise not been improved by Obama. This will be continually additionally compounded by the bad-faith provision that yielded the "doc fix."
Completely agree. We need to address long term spending and revenue. I doubt it happens regardless of congress/president.
There has been a history of presidents not addressing our overall spending problem.
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- Only by comparing his years to Bush's worst do any of our recent ones look good. Even in his better years for the economy, on deficits, Bush sucked. This is now the standard for "good job"?
Let's say you take a football team from losing 10 games a season and instead they lose 4, did the coach do a "good job" or does he still suck since they didn't win the MNC?
I mean, I know what the rant would say but I would hope people here are smart enough to realize that shaving nearly a trillion dollars off the deficit in 4 years is "good job"
Is it enough? No. But its a start.
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- These temporary deficit lows cannot be sustained much past 2015 without either tax increases or significant cutting of our major programs, barring some unexpected economic boom.
We need continued attention on this, I am not going to disagree.
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Since deficits "matter" to me only insofar as they affect our long-term debt profile and reflect the direction of the long-term effect of our chosen policies (unless we expect borrowing costs to suddenly explode), and the long-term picture has been in fact worsened by Obama, no, not "good job".
Fair enough, but honestly I think if the deficit is his fault, then the reduction in the deficit can be attributed to him. And for that he deserves a "good job"
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