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re: What Would It Take To Start WW3?

Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:04 pm to
Posted by lsu480
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:04 pm to
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This was the exact thoughts of many of the best statesmen on the eve of WWI.


I doubt it, they were probably all in on the cash grab!
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:06 pm to
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The reason for this is there are no alliances that would entangle any of the major powers to the point they'd have to fight over anything in the middle east.


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There are massive reserves of gas & oil there and as these countries jostle for control, the chances of a wider, at least regional, conflict grows.


I see what you're saying, troy but there is one thing missing. No major world power is trying to gain control of the oil in the middle east through military means, nor does it appear likely that any will try this anytime in the foreseeable future. The only place where there is any question of control over major oil or gas resources at this time is in the South China Sea. It's possible there may be some similar development of tensions in the Arctic Ocean region between the US, Canada and Russia as well. But as for the middle east, there is little to no chance the major world powers come to conflict over control of the oil there.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:07 pm to
1) Some catastrophic event causes a breakdown of relations with China, causing America to put some trade restrictions in place.

2) This causes a economic downturn in China.

3) China is pissed so calls for an immediate repayment of all loans made to the USA.

4) USA says frick off.

5) Putin sees a chance for a land grab while other powers are disctracted and invades a former Soviet bloc nation that is in NATO.

6) China aligns with Russia.

Posted by beejon
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:08 pm to
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Oh, and the largest of the dark beings was about as tall as my ceiling, 8 ft. tall, while the others were smaller. At the very end of the battle, I decapitated the largest of the dark beings. - Beejon


Glad to see you haven't forgotten!!
Posted by BoatSchoolTiger
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:08 pm to
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Our Air Force alone would neutralize any major threats in a matter of hours. What the Air Force couldn't get the Navy would take care of.


The Navy tends to think of this in an opposite order
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:09 pm to
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Won't ever happen because the rest of the world knows that if push came shove, the U.S. would wreck shite. Our Air Force alone would neutralize any major threats in a matter of hours. What the Air Force couldn't get the Navy would take care of.


It won't ever happen due to monetary incentives. Global economies like Russia, Europe, China, and the US rely heavily on trade with each other to stay afloat. It would be economic mutually assured destruction.
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:10 pm to
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This was the exact thoughts of many of the best statesmen on the eve of WWI.


I don't know very much about the state of the global economy before WWI. I was thinking that before WWII there was obviously a massive worldwide depression, and many countries were desperate for resources. This is a clear motivation for war. I wonder if something similar was going on before WWI.

I think some sort of major collapse that causes mass starvation would raise tensions to eventually lead to another world war. Things are so good right now, at least in this country, and thoughts like that seem a distant afterthought. Who knows what the future holds though.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:10 pm to
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I doubt it, they were probably all in on the cash grab!



Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:13 pm to
A can of leseur peas, a bendy straw, some KY, a vuvuzela, some duct tape, a small rodent and 75 cents in nickels
Posted by MightyYat
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:14 pm to
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The Navy tends to think of this in an opposite order


I'm sure they do.

Between the over 800 Air Force F-16s and the 500 Navy F-18s it wouldn't even be a fair fight. The U.S. could strike from just about anywhere on the map. That doesn't even take into account the numerous stealth fighters we could launch on top of whatever new shite we have in the bullpen.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 4:16 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:17 pm to
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I don't know very much about the state of the global economy before WWI. I was thinking that before WWII there was obviously a massive worldwide depression, and many countries were desperate for resources. This is a clear motivation for war. I wonder if something similar was going on before WWI.


Before WWI the major economic powers of the world were Great Britain at #1 & Germany at #2 with powers like France, Russia, and the US following not far behind from an economic standpoint. You also had emerging economic powers like Japan as well. All these powers based their economies on a varying mix of exploitation of natural resources from colonies and international trade.

To give you a good example of how intertwined they were, when war broke out in 1914, the Brits were forced to go to a Swiss intermediary to acquire binoculars for their army and navy from Germany. Likewise Germany felt the bite of the British blockade and trade embargo rather quickly via shortages in everything from rubber to sugar, cotton, and a variety of day to day things that before the war had come from British sources.

Posted by beejon
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:21 pm to
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A can of leseur peas, a bendy straw, some KY, a vuvuzela, some duct tape, a small rodent and 75 cents in nickels


Posted by biglego
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:27 pm to
3 SEC teams in the playoff
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:28 pm to
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All these powers based their economies on a varying mix of exploitation of natural resources from colonies and international trade.


I think this might be an interesting part of what is different between how globalization was then in its still developing days and now. With the colonial system countries were more adversarial in acquiring territory and conquering. This kind of social structure would lead to a more military based conquering economy.

Just think about the sykes-picot agreement and all the damage that is still causing today.

I'm sure the current structure presents its own weaknesses that we currently take for granted right now though.
Posted by Tbobby
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:29 pm to
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It's already started.


Islam vs Non-Islam
Posted by ForeverLSU02
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:30 pm to
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What Would It Take To Start WW3?

Putin macking on the Chinese first lady
Posted by beejon
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:31 pm to
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Islam vs Non-Islam


Could be. It's certainly a long term issue.
Posted by shinerfan
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:32 pm to
As a final FU to the red states, Barry gets Tom Ritter appointed head of the IMF.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 4:35 pm to
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I think this might be an interesting part of what is different between how globalization was then in its still developing days and now.


Well you bring up a good point there in that the issue of colonies is pretty much off the table. I'd counter though and say that while the major powers will not go to war over control of huge chunks of Africa or where ever, the current political climate could see them fighting over spheres of influence similar to the two points i laid out in my first post ITT. I'd especially find troubling the prospect of Putin's Russia trying to reclaim most or even all the former Soviet sphere that if you will remember went all the way to the middle of Western Europe.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 4:37 pm
Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 5:00 pm to
It's already started. WWIII is a proxy war.
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