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Miles defenders: a summation of the issues most have with Miles.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:09 pm
In interest of being forthcoming, I have never been a fan of Miles as a coach. The affinity his players have for him should be all requisite info needed about his character as a person.
His teams have always seemed undisciplined when juxtaposed with LSU teams under Saban (Saban is a fair comparison because he replaced him). Issues with getting plays in on time, numerous penalties and just an overall feel that the ship wasn't as tight. These were excused because the winning ways continued. Yet, you couldn't help but wonder what would happen if things were more organized. I remember an SI mailbag or article in 06 after LSU blew up Notre Dame stating: with the wealth of talent present on that roster, you could plug in many other coaches and LSU would have won the MNC that year. I could never really disagree with that statement.
Miles as always displayed an affinity for upperclassmen, sometimes at the expense of playing time for a more talented, younger player. He seems to pull the reigns when a unproven QB is at the helm. While I understand this is common practice, Miles goes overboard. He goes back in time to the days of Bo and three yards and a cloud of dust.
Clearly, other coaches are able to make due starting and playing young players. Do they have to ease these players in and simplify things? Yes. Do they go back to the stone age to do so? No. Miles appears to be coaching scared in that respect since 08. 1/9 reinforced this. The QBs weren't young, but they didn't inspire confidence. In Miles' entire tenure he has recruited one single starter at QB that has really panned out as a legit QB at the college level. And that person was first recruited and signed by a guy that has a pretty good track record with QBs, Mark Richt. That isn't satisfactory. 1 Guy in 10 years.
The running back platoon is absolutely ridiculous and nonsensical. I am used to running back by committee, but I don't think it works very well when you are rotating four guys. Also, there should be a method to your madness. Your best back thus far cannot afford to be on the bench until you are down three scores. There is no reason to start your 3rd or 4th best back. Yes, he ran well, but did we get any first downs until we plugged in Fournette.
The biggest issue is the lack of adaptation from a game planning perspective and the misuse of recruited players. Obviously most know what Miles' philosophy is predicated on power running, protecting the ball, and a suffocating defense. The offense have always seemed like and afterthought. Just run straight ahead, don't turn the ball over and we will win this with defense. No one can keep up the kind of defense year in and year out that is required to keep a team winning like LSU requires it to do. There will come a time when you have to play from behind and this up the middle BS will not be sufficient. Especially when everyone knows it is coming.
When you are playing a team that is weak in the secondary [Moo State] you should probably spread it around and throw it some. Not run into the teeth of the defense over and over hoping for a different result.
Players. Why recruit players that operate under the spread and can flourish when in space and bottle them up by running straight into 9 man fronts? Why sub Harris in and let him operate more out of the gun and when he finally starts, it looks like he is using Jennings' packages? Play to the their strengths. To the non Miles' fan it displays a willful stubbornness and an inability to adapt. Which translates into ego. Other coaches have showed they can adapt. You either adapt and overcome or fall behind.
As many have said, Harris was set up to fail. He should have been eased into the game with confidence boosting short yardage safe throws and running intermixed. Not running it 17 out of 20 times and putting him in repeated obvious passing downs in a hostile environment. I may not be a coach but I know that isn't a good idea. I think it is pretty telling when pundits and fans alike didn't expect Miles to do that. They expected more out of the gun work with three wide sets and more passing. You know, the stuff we saw then Harris had previously entered the game. It is also very disconcerting to the fans when it happens. They feel almost hopeless for LSU. As if the team will continue to spiral downward. When Harris came out and started the game under center over and over again I know it was going to be a long night.
It isn't that I don't think Miles lacks the ability to right the ship. It is just that I am not confident he will make the decisions to change to make it happen. I hope. I would hate to see my school become an also-ran.
His teams have always seemed undisciplined when juxtaposed with LSU teams under Saban (Saban is a fair comparison because he replaced him). Issues with getting plays in on time, numerous penalties and just an overall feel that the ship wasn't as tight. These were excused because the winning ways continued. Yet, you couldn't help but wonder what would happen if things were more organized. I remember an SI mailbag or article in 06 after LSU blew up Notre Dame stating: with the wealth of talent present on that roster, you could plug in many other coaches and LSU would have won the MNC that year. I could never really disagree with that statement.
Miles as always displayed an affinity for upperclassmen, sometimes at the expense of playing time for a more talented, younger player. He seems to pull the reigns when a unproven QB is at the helm. While I understand this is common practice, Miles goes overboard. He goes back in time to the days of Bo and three yards and a cloud of dust.
Clearly, other coaches are able to make due starting and playing young players. Do they have to ease these players in and simplify things? Yes. Do they go back to the stone age to do so? No. Miles appears to be coaching scared in that respect since 08. 1/9 reinforced this. The QBs weren't young, but they didn't inspire confidence. In Miles' entire tenure he has recruited one single starter at QB that has really panned out as a legit QB at the college level. And that person was first recruited and signed by a guy that has a pretty good track record with QBs, Mark Richt. That isn't satisfactory. 1 Guy in 10 years.
The running back platoon is absolutely ridiculous and nonsensical. I am used to running back by committee, but I don't think it works very well when you are rotating four guys. Also, there should be a method to your madness. Your best back thus far cannot afford to be on the bench until you are down three scores. There is no reason to start your 3rd or 4th best back. Yes, he ran well, but did we get any first downs until we plugged in Fournette.
The biggest issue is the lack of adaptation from a game planning perspective and the misuse of recruited players. Obviously most know what Miles' philosophy is predicated on power running, protecting the ball, and a suffocating defense. The offense have always seemed like and afterthought. Just run straight ahead, don't turn the ball over and we will win this with defense. No one can keep up the kind of defense year in and year out that is required to keep a team winning like LSU requires it to do. There will come a time when you have to play from behind and this up the middle BS will not be sufficient. Especially when everyone knows it is coming.
When you are playing a team that is weak in the secondary [Moo State] you should probably spread it around and throw it some. Not run into the teeth of the defense over and over hoping for a different result.
Players. Why recruit players that operate under the spread and can flourish when in space and bottle them up by running straight into 9 man fronts? Why sub Harris in and let him operate more out of the gun and when he finally starts, it looks like he is using Jennings' packages? Play to the their strengths. To the non Miles' fan it displays a willful stubbornness and an inability to adapt. Which translates into ego. Other coaches have showed they can adapt. You either adapt and overcome or fall behind.
As many have said, Harris was set up to fail. He should have been eased into the game with confidence boosting short yardage safe throws and running intermixed. Not running it 17 out of 20 times and putting him in repeated obvious passing downs in a hostile environment. I may not be a coach but I know that isn't a good idea. I think it is pretty telling when pundits and fans alike didn't expect Miles to do that. They expected more out of the gun work with three wide sets and more passing. You know, the stuff we saw then Harris had previously entered the game. It is also very disconcerting to the fans when it happens. They feel almost hopeless for LSU. As if the team will continue to spiral downward. When Harris came out and started the game under center over and over again I know it was going to be a long night.
It isn't that I don't think Miles lacks the ability to right the ship. It is just that I am not confident he will make the decisions to change to make it happen. I hope. I would hate to see my school become an also-ran.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:11 pm to keeper05
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This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 1:01 am
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:12 pm to keeper05
Man I'm not reading all that shite.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:12 pm to keeper05
You want Me to Read all that?
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:13 pm to keeper05
Miles has the 3rd best win% in sec history. Better than Saban and spurrier. Stop acting like Miles took over a top 5 program. Since 1987 LSU had ONE season with less than 3 losses. This notion that Miles inherited some top 5 program is laughable. Miles inherited a 3 loss lsu team from 2004.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:13 pm to keeper05
Just watch his press conference team tackled well what game was he at,and only on several plays things didn't go as expected auburn scored 41 points.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:25 pm to JaxTiger10
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Miles inherited a 3 loss lsu team from 2004.
Seriously, this stupid crap has to stop. One year after an NC and significant departures, LSU went 9-2 in the regular season and was a missed extra point and bogus rule away from being another SEC title game.
Miles, on the other hand, went a resounding 7-5 following his NC with LSU's first losing record in the SEC in 9 years. There is a significant difference there. LSU will likely have another losing SEC record this year, and it would be Miles' second in 7 years.
Stop acting like the 2004 season was so horrible because LSU lost in a stinking bowl game.
Miles is a decent coach and has done well. If not for his stubbornness and arrogance, he COULD have multiple championships here, but he's simply not good enough to do that. His predecessor changed his ways to now be a dominant force at Bama.Malzahn and Chizik in 4 years have matched Les' 9 year accomplishments at LSU in regards to title games/championships and didn't get embarrassed in their NC loss. Think about that.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:30 pm to keeper05
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His teams have always seemed undisciplined when juxtaposed with LSU teams under Saban
Ok, fair point. But how often has that cost us a game. Once in 10 years? Carry on.
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Miles as always displayed an affinity for upperclassmen,
Yet our leading running back is a true freshman, and the two QB's are freshman. And the WR's.....never mind. Carry on.
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The running back platoon is absolutely ridiculous and nonsensical. I am used to running back by committee, but I don't think it works very well when you are rotating four guys.
2 things here:
1) When you read a box score, Jennings and Harris are not running backs even though they show up in rushing statistics. Most of the time they are running for their life behind our shitty O-Line. Not sure if you knew that.
2) When you look at the Wisconsin, Mississipi State, and Auburn games combined, Fournette and Hilliard have combined for 56 carries, the next 2 guys are Williams and Macgee that have combined for 20 carries. Again, it's not a platoon it's giving the starters rest. They account for more than 70% of the total carries.
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Players. Why recruit players that operate under the spread and can flourish when in space and bottle them up by running straight into 9 man fronts? Why sub Harris in and let him operate more out of the gun and when he finally starts, it looks like he is using Jennings' packages? Play to the their strengths
You want the entire team of starters to learn 2 separate playbooks based on who the QB is?
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Harris was set up to fail. He should have been eased into the game with confidence boosting short yardage safe throws and running intermixed
That's like saying I am set up to fail because my parents didn't set up a trust fund with a billion dollars in it. Jennings is getting killed out there. He hasn't been a world beater. Harris needed to come in to show what he can do.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:32 pm to keeper05
I can't pay attention that long.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:37 pm to keeper05
That's a long arse post.
Tl;dr
Tl;dr
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:43 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Tweet version: Les Miles is not going to change.
You want Me to Read all that?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:44 pm to ironsides
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Ok, fair point. But how often has that cost us a game. Once in 10 years? Carry on.
I think it's a little more than that
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:46 pm to LSUsuperfresh
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I think it's a little more than that
The lack of discipline? How many games has it cost us. Definitely ole miss a couple of years ago. What other games have we lost due to clock mismanagement?
And if so, doesn't it speak to the guys ability that he's got an awesome record in spite of his flaw?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:49 pm to Geauxgurt
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If not for his stubbornness and arrogance,
Precisely which top coaches aren't stubborn ( whatever in the Hell that means) and arrogant?
You types who have never succeeded on a big stage don't know the difference between being stubborn and having faith in your abilities. You mistake arrogance for self-confidence.
Which is why the top dogs make the big bucks and people like you whine and beotch on message boards.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:50 pm to keeper05
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His teams have always seemed undisciplined when juxtaposed with LSU teams under Saban (Saban is a fair comparison because he replaced him)
Sabans LSu teams were always the most penalized in the sec. In 2003 we were the 3rd most penalized team in the country.
So we bitch about this. yet we bitch when a player steps on our player and said player does nothing not resulting in a penalty and we are soft, yet he does do something Miles is undisciplined. You people seriously need to get a grip on reality.
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Miles as always displayed an affinity for upperclassmen, sometimes at the expense of playing time for a more talented, younger player.
Name one fricking time this has happened.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:53 pm to keeper05
What's with the new posters putting up these long, dead horse posts?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 5:53 pm to keeper05
To the Miles defenders/sunshine pumpers - how many more miserable losses do you require? The bad losses are just starting. We haven't even been competitive in the SEC so far. How many 550 yard beat downs do you need to see?
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