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re: Miles defenders: a summation of the issues most have with Miles.

Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:33 pm to
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:33 pm to
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When it is 2 more than his predecessor had while rebuilding the program, yes it is

Well he's been here twice as long as his predecessor and the SECw is significantly tougher now
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84736 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:34 pm to
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2) ole miss 09,

I never understood why people dwell on the chaotic clock management rather than the fact LSU was dominated the whole game and didn't deserve to win.
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48923 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:34 pm to
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keeper05
In the greater scheme of things. GFY

You said all you need to with this:

quote:

I have never been a fan of Miles as a coach.


CLM has done tons for this program and he deserves the chance for these freshman to mature.
At the time of maturity, if this team still plays like they did against Auburn, I will readily admit, it's time for a change.

That day hasn't gotten here yet, nor has this team been a .500 team like other top programs in the SEC were just a few years ago.
Teams need time to rebuild. To think a team can play at the top year after year is just unrealistic.

The same people calling for his head, do so every year.
They put unrealistic expectations on the team and this staff, year after year.

You will be the same ones crying about anyone they put in the position of head coach if he doesn't win 12 games a year. You suck as fans and probably as human beings. No one cares about your temper tantrums and immature behaviors.

Not too long ago they belittled our president exactly the same way, look what we have now.

Be careful what you wish for........
Posted by jonanthans
West Monroe, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2410 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:35 pm to
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Geauxgurt

When it is 2 more than his predecessor had while rebuilding the program, yes it is.



You conveniently left out the fact that Les Miles took over this program when the SEC began the run of being the undeniable powerhouse conference, dominating the college football landscape and the NC titles. Nobody ever wants to talk about that. The runner-ups in the SEC every year would have destroyed the non-SEC oppnents in the NC game.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89814 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:36 pm to
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You do realize that the teams in 2005, 2006, and 2007 were likely the most talented in the country based on experienced players.


I do recognize likely. The others being osu and uf. Two teams we played. But my question is why weren't we in 2004 with a Sr qb. With sabans defense he recruited and coached. Or why not in 2002 after bringing in the #1 class relying on a qb that played pro baseball and no one behind him when he got hurt. Surely that va tech team coulnt have been that more talented than LSU.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 6:39 pm
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:39 pm to
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Miles as always displayed an affinity for upperclassmen, sometimes at the expense of playing time for a more talented, younger player


Stopped reading right here. You had me going for a minute.

But this myth has been proven falst time and time again.

And, for the record, I'm ready for Miles to go.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:44 pm to
Stopped here:
quote:

I have never been a fan of Miles as a coach.

You're one of those assholes who didn't get who you wanted after Saban left, hated JMiles from the start, critisized him at first, shut up when he started winning, and now that he's having a down seson, you come out of the woodwork with a fricking wall of text.

You're biased, and so your wall doesn't interest me.

Here's a clue:

When Miles goes, LSU isn't going to hire your Superbowl winning NFL coach either. So you may as well get started hating the next LSU coach early.
Posted by COTiger
Colorado
Member since Dec 2007
16844 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:47 pm to
Were your other 13 posts that long?

I made the mistake of reading your entire post. Suggest you Google Webster's and look at two words: (1) brevity & (2) clarity
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89814 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:48 pm to
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Saban and Emmert to make changes it needed to compete at a high level. Miles has reaped the benefit of that more than anyone.


Hallman was one of the first coaches to implement an indoor practice facility. Saban isn't some genius. Any idiot knows you have to pump money.in to win.

I will say this. LSU was never as bad as Oklahoma state. Miles went to 3 straight bowl games after making 1 in 13 years. He also had to compete against OU. LSU had no one.

The tools were in place at LSU before saban. That's all. They were here when miles took over and he has a better record. What more do you want? If miles didn't have a better record than saban I would agree. But he does, so he continued to push the program further.
Posted by the crue
Chackbay-Thibodaux
Member since May 2008
4077 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:48 pm to
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The man deserves a chance to right the ship.

He's done it once before
how many ships does he get?
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13501 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:50 pm to
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You conveniently left out the fact that Les Miles took over this program when the SEC began the run of being the undeniable powerhouse conference, dominating the college football landscape and the NC titles. Nobody ever wants to talk about that. The runner-ups in the SEC every year would have destroyed the non-SEC oppnents in the NC game.



Where he conveniently had a headstart talentwise on pretty much everyone outside of perhaps UF. Les is a good coach, why do people think if you don't think he's as great as they believe that you think he sucks. I think he's a good coach that has run his course. I don't think he has it anymore as far as championship level teams. Whatever happened in 2011 to finish off that team has affected him. He'll always be one of the best coaches LSU has had, but all coaches run their courses and he's creeping in to Mack Brown territory.
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
15737 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:51 pm to
I agree with this. CLM has shown little interest in changing when what is being done is not working. He will have plenty of chances to change this year because LSU will be on the short end of the score for most of the rest of the season.
Posted by goatman1419
Prairieville,LA
Member since Jan 2007
3070 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:52 pm to
Every single thing you said in that post could be disputed with FACTS and stats. Period. You people think Sabans team never makes mistakes?? You think coaches on every single level of football don't make time management errors?? You people seriously need to just stop with the every coach in America could win at LSU. Seriously god damn it. We went a decade and a half through coach after coach LOSING. I prey to God Miles leaves this shite hole fan base and goes to Michigan. Then for the next decade I can bash the shite outta every insane supposed fan like you when we end up like Tenn, Michigan, Texas, USC. That also thought any coach could win at their program. BUT you'd never be here to say you're wrong would you.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13501 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:54 pm to
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I do recognize likely. The others being osu and uf. Two teams we played. But my question is why weren't we in 2004 with a Sr qb. With sabans defense he recruited and coached. Or why not in 2002 after bringing in the #1 class relying on a qb that played pro baseball and no one behind him when he got hurt. Surely that va tech team coulnt have been that more talented than LSU.


Yet you love to ignore the fact that LSU in 2002 and 2004 was not nearly as talented in depth as it has been since then. Randall didn't pan out and Saban rolled the dice with two great youngsters. They needed time to develop, just like Harris and Jennings do.

Again, people calling for Les to be fired are morons, for two reasons:

1) He's not getting fired, period. He's owed too much money and his 2011 season earned him some leeway.

2) While I don't see him coaching LSU to another title, firing him would be stupid. I think you give him a chance to change things, see if the players develop and team improves, and from there make a decision.

Hell, if Muschamp can get a year, so can Les. Now people claiming we need to keep Les and 2016 is our year, that's just stupid. If the team doesn't improve next year or goes 6-6, then Les needs to be let go. Until then, I'll support the Tigers, but I don't have much faith in this team developing much right now.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84736 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:55 pm to
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The others being osu and uf

I'd say USC, fwiw
Posted by WalkingTurtles
Alexandria
Member since Jan 2013
5913 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:56 pm to
I never understand the RB approach. I like mixing it up when it's needed but for example why was Magee starting in Auburn, he's been the least productive. It's like he picks a name out of a hat. There's no rhyme or reason behind it.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13501 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:56 pm to
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The tools were in place at LSU before saban. That's all. They were here when miles took over and he has a better record. What more do you want? If miles didn't have a better record than saban I would agree. But he does, so he continued to push the program further.



Looking just at SEC games, they have nearly identical winning percentages as of today, so what's your point? If this team goes 2-6 in the SEC like some are predicting, he'll be significantly below Saban's percentage.
Posted by LCTFAN
New Iberia
Member since Mar 2013
2920 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 6:56 pm to
Read this post and did not go further, my comment is LSU has the wins, no one questions this. We have way too many UGLY wins and the only reason why, great defense

Fans are tired of ugly offense

With that said look at Michigan and they fired a coach who won a national title and have gone through 2 coaches and looking at a third

I am a fan of Les Miles and understand this posters frustration however there is a possible downside to a coaching change.
Posted by pointman
new orleans
Member since Dec 2010
2734 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:10 pm to
Amen
Posted by DthVllyDud
Ameritopia
Member since Jan 2011
1365 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:13 pm to
Too long, learn brevity.
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