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Obama and the military brass at odds with strategy to fight ISIL

Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:45 pm
Posted by WildcatMike
Lexington, KY
Member since Dec 2005
42235 posts
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:45 pm
Holy fricking shitLINK
This post was edited on 9/18/14 at 8:48 pm
Posted by ClydeFrog
Kenya
Member since Jul 2012
3261 posts
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:48 pm to
Yes. Obama is ruling out combat troops on the ground for political reasons while military advisors are saying the troops may very well be necessary for victory. Playing politics in Iraq is the reason we lost our gains to ISIS in the first place. It's stunning that we (read Obama) didn't learn from the first mistake.
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
29493 posts
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:54 pm to
Well I heard Josh Ernest say today that boots on the ground means that we are occupying territory. I thought that was interesting. That means we can have shoes on the turf without having boots on the ground. All it's all about compromise.
Posted by Da Sheik
Trump Tower
Member since Sep 2007
8285 posts
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:55 pm to
Let's see, you have a community organizer over ruling military professionals.
And America wants to know why we are in an economic and foreign policy disaster.
Posted by Wild Thang
YAW YAW Fooball Nation
Member since Jun 2009
44181 posts
Posted on 9/18/14 at 8:55 pm to
This is who this country voted for TWICE!

We reap what we sow with this idiot in the WH.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
81730 posts
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:03 pm to
Yes, they are 6 years too late in stating their "opinion". Much of the Iraqi/Syrian mess probably could've been avoided had Barry listened in the first place to his Generals.......you know, who were on the ground and all.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
88951 posts
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:10 pm to
IMO it's disrespectful of such recently retired military personnel to publicly criticize the commander in chief like this. If this ha happened under Bush (who's foreign policy was horrendous), the right would be crying treason at the top of their lungs.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
88951 posts
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:11 pm to
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Yes, they are 6 years too late in stating their "opinion". Much of the Iraqi/Syrian mess probably could've been avoided had Barry listened in the first place to his Generals.......you know, who were on the ground and all.


these same "brilliant" Generals had 6 years under Bush and couldn't achieve more than a stalemate.
Posted by Tim
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
7069 posts
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:30 pm to
quote:

If this ha happened under Bush


FYI, Bush has been gone for 6 years. This is his ball game, this is his war
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
88951 posts
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:38 pm to
I'm saying it's tacky for recently retired military personnel to publicly criticize their commander in chief.
This post was edited on 9/18/14 at 11:39 pm
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
70447 posts
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:42 pm to
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I'm saying it's tacky for recently retired military personnel to publicly criticize their commander in chief.

For playing politics in a situation there's no room for it? I disagree.
Posted by Tim
Texas
Member since Jan 2005
7069 posts
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:46 pm to
quote:

I'm saying it's tacky for recently retired military personnel to publicly criticize their commander in chief.


You've got a president, staffers, and god knows who else publicly criticizing a man that's been gone for 6 years. Suddenly it's taboo to criticize the Commander in Chief?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
100767 posts
Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:56 pm to
Hardly the first time..

Posted by OleWar
Troy H. Middleton Library
Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 12:02 am to
quote:

these same "brilliant" Generals had 6 years under Bush and couldn't achieve more than a stalemate


Mostly a new set of "brilliant" Generals then under Bush, and remember all of whom were nominated by the current Commander in Chief.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
115213 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 12:10 am to
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these same "brilliant" Generals had 6 years under Bush and couldn't achieve more than a stalemate.

What's the typical length of time required to overcome an insurgent army?
Posted by OleWar
Troy H. Middleton Library
Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 12:26 am to
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What's the typical length of time required to overcome an insurgent army?


8.22 Years with a standard deviation of 8 Years.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35810 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 12:30 am to
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Obama is ruling out combat troops on the ground for political reasons while military advisors are saying the troops may very well be necessary for victory.
I am not a politician but I would like to rule out ground troops at this time as well. Iraq has an army. Syria has an army and multiple "moderate" rebel militias.

The ruling may be "political" but it makes sense. Overruling military commanders who don't take civilian support into account isn't really a problem. If the military guys were arguing that we don't have an attainable goal or an escape plan, then I would be concerned.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
74107 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 5:28 am to
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Overruling military commanders who don't take civilian support into account isn't really a problem.
I can tell you know absolutely nothing about the military.
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
22972 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 5:30 am to
Obama is saying no boots on the ground just out of arrogant pride. It'll be a damn cold day in hell before the fool admits he was wrong in pulling the troops out to soon, especially since Bush said it would be a mistake.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
5067 posts
Posted on 9/19/14 at 5:38 am to
Yeah right spider..., err winston...

The US generals(and GWB amoung many others) warned this two-bit street organizer not to pull out of Eye-rack too soon or the country would descend into chaos...

Well lo and behold, here we are.
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