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re: WWYD as Wisconsin Coach?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:31 pm to TheSexecutioner
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:31 pm to TheSexecutioner
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I assure you, I am not dumb.
Said every dumb person ever.
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Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:32 pm to BayouBengals03
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and receive the ensuing kickoff with about a minute left and no timeouts (I think that's what it would have been)
closer to a minute and 15 but
We're on the same page.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:33 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Wrong.
Let me guess...your friend thinks you're wrong also?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:33 pm to RGJ18
At the time of the play I was saying that Wisc. should go for it. They didn't and lost. Hindsight proves that they made the wrong choice.
Did you want them to punt? I wanted them to punt! If LSU wants them to punt then punting is probably not their best choice.
They probably lose either way.
Did you want them to punt? I wanted them to punt! If LSU wants them to punt then punting is probably not their best choice.
They probably lose either way.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:34 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I am literally wracking my brain here trying to figure out why kneel was even an option. And if you think that is the right answer, please justify it and then stop discussing sports forever.
well instead of wracking your brain, just read better. I don't think that is the right answer. I'd go for it. I just still think it would be better than punting.
I've explained why. Go back and read the explanation if you need.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:36 pm to BayouBengals03
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They could burn then, force LSU to kick a field goal, and receive the ensuing kickoff with about a minute left and no timeouts (I think that's what it would have been).
Fine...but do you REALLY want to hope you're going to stop Hilliard inside the 8 given Wisky's DL situation at that point? It' far more likely that Hilliard busts it in after a play or two, forcing Wisky to use a couple of TO's and then it's over.
Unless Les was going to tell Hilliard NOT to score there, he was going in.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:36 pm to omegaman66
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Did you want them to punt? I wanted them to punt! If LSU wants them to punt then punting is probably not their best choice.
I wanted them to go. They weren't getting it, and I was worried we'd frick something up on the punt return.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:36 pm to omegaman66
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Hindsight proves that they made the wrong choice
No it doesn't. They likely lose the game either way, but that still isn't relevant. Hindsight proves that they happened to not win the game. Their are many factors outside of that choice.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:36 pm to TheSexecutioner
Obviously, they were in a bad spot. Go for it,take a safety, or punt were the only alternatives. Kneeling was an insane option. I think I would have gone for it and tried to get lucky. I remember the miracle on Markham where the pigs had completed 3 passes all game and beat us in a similar scenario by passing.
Everybody was shocked Les didn't put White in to field the punt. This was after he had ran up and jumped on a punt that might have gone 3-4 extra yds with 5 badgers around the ball. This was White's first game fielding punts. No one else on the team has ever fielded one. Great call by Les.
Next choice was giving the safety up and trying the onside kick. All choices were long shots.
Everybody was shocked Les didn't put White in to field the punt. This was after he had ran up and jumped on a punt that might have gone 3-4 extra yds with 5 badgers around the ball. This was White's first game fielding punts. No one else on the team has ever fielded one. Great call by Les.
Next choice was giving the safety up and trying the onside kick. All choices were long shots.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:38 pm to NotRight37
you go for it
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:39 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Fine...but do you REALLY want to hope you're going to stop Hilliard inside the 8 given Wisky's DL situation at that point? It' far more likely that Hilliard busts it in after a play or two, forcing Wisky to use a couple of TO's and then it's over.
Unless Les was going to tell Hilliard NOT to score there, he was going in.
Fine...but do you REALLY want to hope you're going to stop Hilliard at midfield given Wisky's DL situation at that point? It' far more likely that Hilliard busts a first down after a play or two, forcing Wisky to use a couple of TO's and then it's over
Unless Les was going to tell Hilliard NOT to pick up the first there, he was going to.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:41 pm to Brummy
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40-50 yards of field position. Maybe they can force a turnover
I don't think so. Even if they punt, hold us to no return, and get us to go 3 and out, we would still have the opportunity to pin them back inside the 20.
You go for it, fail to get it, and then have the defensive advantage of a compressed field
LSU gets 3 and they get the ball on the 25 with another chance
Taking a safety would have been smarter than punting
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:42 pm to TheSexecutioner
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TheSexecutioner
One other thing to consider....
Wisconsin is at the 8. So if they go for it on 4th and 12 and don't get it, they likely would throw an incomplete pass.
That means LSU would only need to go 8 yards to ice the game, instead of the 10 yards they had to go to ice the game after Wisconsin punted.
Small things like that can't be ignored. I would have punted.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:42 pm to TheSexecutioner
100% agree with punting
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:43 pm to BayouBengals03
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I would have punted.
So why not just take a safety?
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:45 pm to NotRight37
The intentional safety/onside kick is an interesting choice. The downside is that if you don't recover, LSU most likely gets it in field goal range, since you kick off from the 20. A made field goal is game over, since it becomes a 2-score game when you add the 2 points from the safety.
I would've tried going for it. Even if I didn't get it, a three-and-out and a field goal by LSU would still be a one-score game with over a minute left (but no timeouts). Obviously a first down would be game over, just like it was after the punt.
I would've tried going for it. Even if I didn't get it, a three-and-out and a field goal by LSU would still be a one-score game with over a minute left (but no timeouts). Obviously a first down would be game over, just like it was after the punt.
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:46 pm to TheSexecutioner
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c) kneel the ball
This is a very interesting point and I absolutely LOVE how you thought of this. They'd have been likelier holding LSU without a first down with the Tigers being forced into a conservative mindset and almost assuredly running 3 times (plus they'd have the end zone as the "12th defender".
Then take their chances on a kick return with better field position.
But I guess throwing a hail mary on their own from the 8 yard line instead of just kneeling it would be the smartest play.
This post was edited on 9/4/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:47 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Obviously going for it is better than kneeling it.
Ya think?
Honestly, I think punting was the right call, although it is close. A 50 yard punt barely gets it across mid-field and you need 3 stops just to get the ball back. But, the 3 TOs is probably what makes it make sense.
You've lost the game, anyway, at that point - and just pick your miracle - go for it on 4th and 12 (as low a percentage play as there is, just about) and end the game right there, or prolong it for at least 1 more series - give your guys a fighting chance for several more plays.
And there is always the chance of a muffed punt - (which Les took away - and got excoriated for it - by not even putting anybody back there to field it - another brilliant call by the master -
) Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:48 pm to BayouBengals03
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That means LSU would only need to go 8 yards to ice the game, instead of the 10 yards they had to go to ice the game after Wisconsin punted.
Small things like that can't be ignored. I would have punted.
yep, totally correct. I still think 8 on a compressed field is a lot harder to get than 10 at midfield.
Another thing to consider is that if Les were really smart, he would use all 4 downs rather than kick a FG if he inherited the ball inside the 10. Much better to be up 4 with the opposition needing 95+ yards to go than up 7 kicking off to them. Plus there is the substantial chance that LSU scores a TD on 4th down.
That said, I think it is safe to say Les would not be smart
Posted on 9/4/14 at 2:48 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Fine...but do you REALLY want to hope you're going to stop Hilliard at midfield given Wisky's DL situation at that point? It' far more likely that Hilliard busts a first down after a play or two, forcing Wisky to use a couple of TO's and then it's over
Unless Les was going to tell Hilliard NOT to pick up the first there, he was going to.
So what you're really saying is that you think choosing getting stabbed in the eye with a knife is a much better option than getting stabbed in the eye with a fork.
Ok...to me, I just don't think either choice warrants getting all gigged up about as a great one. Your mileage clearly varies.
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