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Having "The Conversation"
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:44 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:44 am
Guy on CNN just mentioned hating to have The Conversation with his son about how to talk to the police. He is black and I remember hearing that many times in the Trayvon Martin coverage. So I got to thinking.
I'm an old white guy who grew up in Mississippi but I also clearly remember my Dad having The Conversation with me. You don't talk back to cops, you treat them respectfully, you say yes sir and no sir. My wife, who went to Ole Miss, had the same told to her, particularly if she went to Memphis where he didn't trust the city's cops. But it now seems this Conversation thing has become exclusively a one race burden, as if any white, Asian or Hispanic kid can now taunt, cuss or run away from police and get away Scott free. Times have changed.
I'm an old white guy who grew up in Mississippi but I also clearly remember my Dad having The Conversation with me. You don't talk back to cops, you treat them respectfully, you say yes sir and no sir. My wife, who went to Ole Miss, had the same told to her, particularly if she went to Memphis where he didn't trust the city's cops. But it now seems this Conversation thing has become exclusively a one race burden, as if any white, Asian or Hispanic kid can now taunt, cuss or run away from police and get away Scott free. Times have changed.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 6:46 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:49 am to XKEnut
Friends and I talked about this Saturday night...we are white. We specifically instructed our white children on how to behave if pulled over. Keep your hands on the wheel unless instructed to reach for your documents, be polite, don't argue, say yes sir and no sir. Interestingly, in a town nearby here, there is currently a lawsuit against a police officer for excessive use of force. WHITE cop, WHITE 57 year old man the 'victim'. It's not just black people.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:54 am to XKEnut
Wouldn't it be nice if the world just wasn't filled with self centered assholes?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:00 am to XKEnut
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as if any white, Asian or Hispanic kid can now taunt, cuss or run away from police and get away Scott free.
It's fricking common sense how to talk to anyone in a position of authority if you have respect for authority and don't want to get jammed up. frick people are stupid.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:09 am to XKEnut
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Guy on CNN just mentioned hating to have The Conversation with his son about how to talk to the police.
If someone hates having a conversation with his child about showing respect to law enforcement, something tells me that person probably has never had that same conversation as it relates to other authority figures. I learned to respect adults and authority figures at a very young age, and my wife and I have instilled the same in our child.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:28 am to XKEnut
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:28 am to XKEnut
When it comes to talking to cops there is a good vid on YouTube that a law professor gives.
Basically, don't talk to them.
Basically, don't talk to them.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:31 am to XKEnut
while my dad was mostly absent from actually raising me, i did absorb "the conversation" from the news/movies/tv
and i give "the conversation" to many clients who never got it from a father figure. i give y'all the same thing all the time
don't give them a reason
and i give "the conversation" to many clients who never got it from a father figure. i give y'all the same thing all the time
don't give them a reason
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:35 am to XKEnut
I was told by my parents how to speak properly to a police officer.
In fact, last week I got pulled over doing 20 over the speed limit by an officer and was polite, didn't BS him and he let me off with a $25 seatbelt fine. It's not the first time either. Being polite foes a long way with many when you consider all of the shite they have to deal with and that in the back of their mind every traffic stop has the potential to become deadly.
In fact, last week I got pulled over doing 20 over the speed limit by an officer and was polite, didn't BS him and he let me off with a $25 seatbelt fine. It's not the first time either. Being polite foes a long way with many when you consider all of the shite they have to deal with and that in the back of their mind every traffic stop has the potential to become deadly.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:38 am to XKEnut
As someone said in another thread, white people put up with the same BS from the cops as black people do.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:39 am to XKEnut
What is this? When I think of "The Conversation," I think of the really uncomfortable sex talk parents have with their kids.
Do people actually have a how to talk to police conversation? That's new to me.
Do people actually have a how to talk to police conversation? That's new to me.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:41 am to XKEnut
I am white. Had this conversation with my kids as well. I don't understand how so many blacks can be so myopic. Like they think it's just sunshine, rainbows, and candy corn all day long if you're not black. It just boggles mind, and I am SO tired of race apologists. None of us can help the race or life situation we were born into, but every single person can work for what they want.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 7:57 am to XKEnut
My dad told me to respect the badge, but people earn respect and if the cop is not respecting you, you're not obligated to respect him/her. Never consent to a car search, and if you're caught doing something wrong that could lead to an arrest, refuse to talk without a lawyer present.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:00 am to XKEnut
I'm not gonna pretend that being black doesn't make dealing with law enforcement more difficult.. As we continue to push more stoicism and military functionality towards departments, we will continue to experience the opposite result from intended. People, including myself as an upper middle white guy, feel threatened more than protected by the police..
With that, my parents had the talk with me from an early age.. We discussed that cops were not a judge/jury and that polite compliance was the safest route to take.
With that, my parents had the talk with me from an early age.. We discussed that cops were not a judge/jury and that polite compliance was the safest route to take.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:40 am to XKEnut
We are experiencing the symptoms, of a greater philosophical argument. The core of the argument - and this "conversation" - goes to respect for Authority.
And like D'Souza pointed out in his documentary "America"..."Barack Obama did not create the movement...it created him". The 'movement' - and it's symptom, disrespect for the prevailing, traditional Constitutional Authority - is what inspires the folk who express contempt for the social, economic *injustice* that is manifest in the streets.
Everybody that can't get stuff by working the production of a good or service (job) route...wants stuff; and a lot of those will gladly blame society/Capitalism, which defines them/their ability/their worth for their inability to attain affluence. So, the perceive that it's the 'system'...and Obama/Progs/Marxist Egalitarian Ideology...lend moral and intellectual support to this narrative. So, all who buy in are in effect, aggrieved, persecuted, and have a moral right and impetus to fight against the unjust Capitalist system which holds them down.
That's it. It won't go away, because as the Marxist ("spread the wealth around") policy SHRINKS the economy, QE goes south, and the pie becomes smaller and inflationary costs get larger...the indignation and contempt for Authority will only grow. Attempts to control violent outbursts with a necessarily 'militarized' Authority - for the sake of civility and the dissemination of essential goods and services - will be met with an increasing level of self-righteous contempt, and sooner or later...the terrorism/martyrdom card. Remember the guy that shot the cop...and within a day, there was a memorial to the shooter in the street.
This will run it's course. There is no solution...because from the TOP (Obama/Progs/Egalitarian Marxists Ideology), down to the Hood...perception becomes reality. Quantum Theory confirms the ultimate affect of Subjectivity. It rules.
Earth 2014. Humanity figuring out the rules, "tilling the soil" after the 'fall'...and moving forward to true freedom, glory and Greater Love.
And like D'Souza pointed out in his documentary "America"..."Barack Obama did not create the movement...it created him". The 'movement' - and it's symptom, disrespect for the prevailing, traditional Constitutional Authority - is what inspires the folk who express contempt for the social, economic *injustice* that is manifest in the streets.
Everybody that can't get stuff by working the production of a good or service (job) route...wants stuff; and a lot of those will gladly blame society/Capitalism, which defines them/their ability/their worth for their inability to attain affluence. So, the perceive that it's the 'system'...and Obama/Progs/Marxist Egalitarian Ideology...lend moral and intellectual support to this narrative. So, all who buy in are in effect, aggrieved, persecuted, and have a moral right and impetus to fight against the unjust Capitalist system which holds them down.
That's it. It won't go away, because as the Marxist ("spread the wealth around") policy SHRINKS the economy, QE goes south, and the pie becomes smaller and inflationary costs get larger...the indignation and contempt for Authority will only grow. Attempts to control violent outbursts with a necessarily 'militarized' Authority - for the sake of civility and the dissemination of essential goods and services - will be met with an increasing level of self-righteous contempt, and sooner or later...the terrorism/martyrdom card. Remember the guy that shot the cop...and within a day, there was a memorial to the shooter in the street.
This will run it's course. There is no solution...because from the TOP (Obama/Progs/Egalitarian Marxists Ideology), down to the Hood...perception becomes reality. Quantum Theory confirms the ultimate affect of Subjectivity. It rules.
Earth 2014. Humanity figuring out the rules, "tilling the soil" after the 'fall'...and moving forward to true freedom, glory and Greater Love.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:46 am to XKEnut
If you don't think that black people are pulled over more than white, you're in a dream world.
I remember many times driving from BR to NOLA on 10 when if you're not going 80, you'll get run off the road.
Nearly everytime a car was pulled over, the occupant was black.
Ever heard of DWB (driving while black)?
I remember many times driving from BR to NOLA on 10 when if you're not going 80, you'll get run off the road.
Nearly everytime a car was pulled over, the occupant was black.
Ever heard of DWB (driving while black)?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:51 am to XKEnut
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I'm an old white guy who grew up in Mississippi but I also clearly remember my Dad having The Conversation with me. You don't talk back to cops, you treat them respectfully, you say yes sir and no sir... or they'll shoot you dead for looking at them wrong
Sorry you left off part of the conversation. FIFY
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:55 am to XKEnut
On at least 2 occasions my son driving near a College campus was pulled over on very minor infractions. Once it was because he neglected to turn on the lights of his friend's car as he exited a parking lot. He was driving a drunk friend home.
The cops were actually looking for a DUIs. Didn't get it either time, but my son did get a nice hefty ticket for not having his lights on.
My son was polite and cooperative, didn't try to bum rush the cop, take the cop's gun or taunt him. He did what the cop told him to do.
He didn't get shot either time. Go figure.
The cops were actually looking for a DUIs. Didn't get it either time, but my son did get a nice hefty ticket for not having his lights on.
My son was polite and cooperative, didn't try to bum rush the cop, take the cop's gun or taunt him. He did what the cop told him to do.
He didn't get shot either time. Go figure.
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