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"Stop blaming black parents for underachieving kids"
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:24 am
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:24 am
Washington Post: Andre M. Perry
This almost made my head explode.
All children in this country have a teacher, a safe building in which to learn, books and in some cases laptop computers. These are all provided free of charge. Nutritional lunches and sometimes breakfasts are also available for students; and in instances of family hardship, they are provided at no charge. Also, schools in most areas provide free bussing services to get children safely to and from school.
Hundreds-of-thousands of college scholarships are available every years to students who do well in school, and there are numerous programs that support the poor in going to college (pell grants, student loans, etc).
What more do you want? Damnit! The government cannot provide the desire to learn? :jimmiesrustled: There are no excuses left. It's the parents!
This almost made my head explode.
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Mayors, teachers unions, and news commentators have boiled down the academic achievement gap between white and black students to one root cause: parents. Even black leaders and barbershop chatter target “lazy parents” for academic failure in their communities, dismissing the complex web of obstacles that assault urban students daily. In 2011, then-New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg exemplified this thinking by saying, “Unfortunately, there are some parents who…never had a formal education and they don’t understand the value of an education.” Earlier this year, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette columnist Tony Norman diagnosed that city’s public schools’ chief problem: the lack of “active, radical involvement of every parent.” And even President Obama rued last week that in some black communities, gaining education is viewed as “acting white.”
Clearly, there is widespread belief that black parents don’t value education. The default opinion has become “it’s the parents” — not the governance, the curriculum, the instruction, the policy, nor the lack of resources — that create problems in urban schools. That’s wrong. Everyday actions continuously contradict the idea that low-income black families don’t care about their children’s schooling, with parents battling against limited resources to access better educations than their circumstances would otherwise afford their children.
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When judging black families’ commitment to education, many are confusing will with way. These parents have the will to provide quality schooling for their children, but often, they lack the way: the social capital, the money and the access to elite institutions. There is a difference between valuing an education and having the resources to tap that value.
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Privileged parents hold onto the false notion that their children’s progress comes from thrift, dedication and hard work — not from the money their parents made. Our assumption that “poverty doesn’t matter” and insistence on blaming black families’ perceived disinterest in education for their children’s underachievement simply reflects our negative attitudes towards poor, brown people and deflects our responsibility to address the real root problems of the achievement gap. Our negative attitudes about poor people keep us from providing the best services and schools to low-income families.
All children in this country have a teacher, a safe building in which to learn, books and in some cases laptop computers. These are all provided free of charge. Nutritional lunches and sometimes breakfasts are also available for students; and in instances of family hardship, they are provided at no charge. Also, schools in most areas provide free bussing services to get children safely to and from school.
Hundreds-of-thousands of college scholarships are available every years to students who do well in school, and there are numerous programs that support the poor in going to college (pell grants, student loans, etc).
What more do you want? Damnit! The government cannot provide the desire to learn? :jimmiesrustled: There are no excuses left. It's the parents!
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:26 am to a want
My head may explode. We actually agree on something.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:27 am to a want
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Privileged parents hold onto the false notion that their children’s progress comes from thrift, dedication and hard work
You didn't build that!!'
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:30 am to a want
Holy hell. Is the world ending. I actually agree with a want?
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:33 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
You're on fire today. I'm still loling at the gay thread.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:35 am to a want
Aren't you a lib? There is no way you can be for personal accountability. Do you now see where entitlements have taken this country too? I understand there are people who truly need help, but when everything is given for a person to have the opportunity to succeed, just as you stated, it's on the person and the people responsible for raising that person.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:36 am to a want
frick this idiotic writer. It's not about money and resources. I went to a dirt poor Catholic school and it was recognized as one of the best schools around.
It has everything to do with the parents and culture, and much less to do with "resources".
It doesn't take computers and a fancy school building for kids to learn.
It has everything to do with the parents and culture, and much less to do with "resources".
It doesn't take computers and a fancy school building for kids to learn.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:37 am to elprez00
This Andre Perry fella is one silly goose.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:37 am to a want
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Dr. Andre Perry is the founding dean of urban education
Well he clearly has an interest in there being a bigger and more complex problem, necessitating funding and research.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:41 am to a want
Andre Perry sort of has an agenda if you look at his history. Just saying.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:42 am to a want
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There are no excuses left. It's the parents!
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This almost made my head explode.
whew - from your title and first comment, I thought you were going in the opposite direction.
It is all on the parents. Which means it is on the grandparents, and on the great grandparents. They raised this current generation of piss poor parents.
The white community cannot escape the criticism either. The "greatest generation" came home from WWII and immediately began allowing their children to pursue 'if it feels good, do it.' That is where the country went wrong.
Nothing feels better than sex, and once we accepted sex as the sacred cow to be worshiped above all else, the bottom fell from the moral pinnings that had held society together for thousands of years. It's a tangled web, but I firmly believe that when women (even young girls) started viewing sex the same as every hard-legged 16 yr old boy, our moral fibre began unravelling.
Now we have full mocking of the 'traditional' lifestyle that was the foundation of western civilization - certainly the foundation of American civilization. The family unit is being replaced by government bureaucracy that is more interested in pandering to the public than in doing what is in the long term interest of civilization.
Our culture coming apart at the seams, but we don't care because we can have sex anytime we want it, have others pay for any unwanted consequences of the act, abort on demand, live out our fantasies and proudly damn anyone who doesn't celebrate/worship the new golden calf of 'diversity.'
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:43 am to a want
It's official. Black people can do no wrong and white people can do no right.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:43 am to Lg
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Aren't you a lib?
Well, no but I play one here.
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There is no way you can be for personal accountability
Good Lord. I'm all for personal responsibility. I'm sure you think all democrats vote for "free stuff" too, right? That's like a liberal saying all conservatives are ingorant, red-neck racists. Turn off Rush Limbaugh.
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Do you now see where entitlements have taken this country too?....but when everything is given for a person to have the opportunity to succeed, just as you stated, it's on the person and the people responsible for raising that person.
I'm glad we have a safety net. I think a person who works for 20 years, pays his taxes, contributes to the community deserves a little temporary help if he loses his job. We need to work to ensure it doesn't become a safety hammock though. That's the problem.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:43 am to a want
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All children in this country have a teacher, a safe building in which to learn, books and in some cases laptop computers. These are all provided free of charge. Nutritional lunches and sometimes breakfasts are also available for students; and in instances of family hardship, they are provided at no charge. Also, schools in most areas provide free bussing services to get children safely to and from school.
i have only read your quoted section, but this is a funny mirror to my thread calling for blaming parents
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When judging black families’ commitment to education, many are confusing will with way. These parents have the will to provide quality schooling for their children, but often, they lack the way: the social capital, the money and the access to elite institutions.
it's a self fulfilling prophecy. create a mindset based on "institutions" instead of individual action (and the corresponding response). remove individual responsibility and consequence for negative actions. then when this population of bad decision makers destroys a school's reputaion by being filled with poor students (again, by choice), blame the school for being an institution that is subpar
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:44 am to Rickety Cricket
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The greatest tragedy of the New Orleans school enrollment fiasco isn’t just that parents had to wait in long lines. It’s that the school district assumed parents wouldn’t show up. Officials assumed grandma wouldn’t be there before dawn. They assumed Ma wouldn’t take off work with child in tow. This is a sign of deficit thinking — the practice of making decisions based on negative assumptions about particular socioeconomic, racial and ethnic groups.
And HOLY frick this is blatantly false. Those parents have been lining up for over 9 years to do the same thing. White, black, Latino, Asian, parents of every damn race.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:45 am to a want
Whoever wrote that is one stupid son of a bitch. Simply put, the failure of black children to adequately develop (socially, educationally, morally, etc) can be explained by five simple factors:
Parents
Parents
Parents
Parents and
Parents.
My mother is a psychologist who specializes in childhood development and education (she works almost entirely in public schools). According to her, the attitudes of black parents would shock anyone. You can hardly get them to show up to a conference to hear explanations as to why their child is being classified as developmentally disabled.
Parents
Parents
Parents
Parents and
Parents.
My mother is a psychologist who specializes in childhood development and education (she works almost entirely in public schools). According to her, the attitudes of black parents would shock anyone. You can hardly get them to show up to a conference to hear explanations as to why their child is being classified as developmentally disabled.
This post was edited on 8/1/14 at 7:46 am
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:45 am to a want
He is assuming there are parents actually around
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:46 am to a want
There are kids from wealthy families that end up underachieving as well so my guess is that when fingers are pointed back at families (black or otherwise), the author has no idea what that really means.
It means engaging with your children about their day. What did they eat? What did they learn? Who acted up? Who was good?
Then transition into their homework. Help them work through it (help them find the answer, don't give it to them). If it's something you aren't familiar with, GOOGLE it!
When they show an interest in band, sports, art, etc then support them as much as possible. Give them tips, if possible. Help them practice, if possible. Show up to their practices, if possible. Show up to their games/competitions.
Talk to your kids. Tell them not just that something is wrong, but WHY it's wrong. As they get older some peer of theirs will eventually try to get them to challenge various beliefs. Give them the extra information to counter that.
Be involved in their lives to the point where you know when they are acting strangely. Don't be afraid to go through their stuff if you think they are fricking up (drugs, making bombs, etc). Understand that your kids can and will make mistakes. Be ready to call them on it and punish them for it (but make sure the punishment fits the crime).
Get to know their friends. Birds of a feather...
And finally, look at your own life. Do you live in a shitty trailer that reeks of cigarette smoke, mold and quiet desperation? Guess what environment your kids are going to be used to and are more likely to emulate. If you have to change your lifestyle to become more clean, responsible, whatever then do it.
These are the points where I see a lot of families (regardless of color) struggle.
It means engaging with your children about their day. What did they eat? What did they learn? Who acted up? Who was good?
Then transition into their homework. Help them work through it (help them find the answer, don't give it to them). If it's something you aren't familiar with, GOOGLE it!
When they show an interest in band, sports, art, etc then support them as much as possible. Give them tips, if possible. Help them practice, if possible. Show up to their practices, if possible. Show up to their games/competitions.
Talk to your kids. Tell them not just that something is wrong, but WHY it's wrong. As they get older some peer of theirs will eventually try to get them to challenge various beliefs. Give them the extra information to counter that.
Be involved in their lives to the point where you know when they are acting strangely. Don't be afraid to go through their stuff if you think they are fricking up (drugs, making bombs, etc). Understand that your kids can and will make mistakes. Be ready to call them on it and punish them for it (but make sure the punishment fits the crime).
Get to know their friends. Birds of a feather...
And finally, look at your own life. Do you live in a shitty trailer that reeks of cigarette smoke, mold and quiet desperation? Guess what environment your kids are going to be used to and are more likely to emulate. If you have to change your lifestyle to become more clean, responsible, whatever then do it.
These are the points where I see a lot of families (regardless of color) struggle.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:47 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:
The white community cannot escape the criticism either. The "greatest generation" came home from WWII and immediately began allowing their children to pursue 'if it feels good, do it.' That is where the country went wrong.
Nothing feels better than sex, and once we accepted sex as the sacred cow to be worshiped above all else, the bottom fell from the moral pinnings that had held society together for thousands of years. It's a tangled web, but I firmly believe that when women (even young girls) started viewing sex the same as every hard-legged 16 yr old boy, our moral fibre began unravelling.
Now we have full mocking of the 'traditional' lifestyle that was the foundation of western civilization - certainly the foundation of American civilization. The family unit is being replaced by government bureaucracy that is more interested in pandering to the public than in doing what is in the long term interest of civilization.
Our culture coming apart at the seams, but we don't care because we can have sex anytime we want it, have others pay for any unwanted consequences of the act, abort on demand, live out our fantasies and proudly damn anyone who doesn't celebrate/worship the new golden calf of 'diversity.'
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