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re: How hard is it to actually secure the border?
Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:40 am to Kirk Herbstreit
Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:40 am to Kirk Herbstreit
Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:41 am to Kirk Herbstreit
Impossible. Policing an area that size is too expensive and would require too much manpower.
The proper course of action is to make it unfavorable to come here.
- Harsher penalties for hiring those without documentation.
- Banning non-citizens or those without legal documentation from using any public services.
- Requiring legal documentation from the parents before a child born on USA soil is considered a citizen.
Those are just a few ideas to start.
It isn't a matter of keeping them from entering, it is a matter of removing the incentive.
The proper course of action is to make it unfavorable to come here.
- Harsher penalties for hiring those without documentation.
- Banning non-citizens or those without legal documentation from using any public services.
- Requiring legal documentation from the parents before a child born on USA soil is considered a citizen.
Those are just a few ideas to start.
It isn't a matter of keeping them from entering, it is a matter of removing the incentive.
Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:43 am to Scruffy
Why have a border if you cannot keep it.
Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:46 am to SpidermanTUba
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harsh prison sentences for people who knowingly hire illegals - and cooperative deals with the people they exploit for their testimony.
Of course, since there is a business involved, let's only go after them. You break the law as a business, you get fricked. Break the law in the same transaction, but you're a 'helpless, exploited, innocent' illegal? Here's a sweet deal if you help us frick the American.
Both parties should be bent over.
Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:46 am to Scruffy
Don't forget the Islamists, Scruff. They've found Q'rans in backpacks down there. Not that they will act until they have their nukes/ducks in a row.
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:48 am to SoulGlo
quote:This. The business and the illegal immigrant should be equally punished.
Both parties should be bent over.
You have to remove the incentive.
Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:48 am to Scruffy
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Impossible. Policing an area that size is too expensive and would require too much manpower.
Do you suppose the only legal means we have to prevent home burglaries is to post arm sentries at the doors of every inhabited dwelling in the country?
Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:50 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Of course not. I already explained how to address the border issue in the rest of that post.
Do you suppose the only legal means we have to prevent home burglaries is to post arm sentries at the doors of every inhabited dwelling in the country?
As for home invasions, homeowners should shoot to kill, along with harsh penalties for those who survive.
This post was edited on 7/14/14 at 11:52 am
Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:57 am to roygu
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Don't know but stationing the border patrol forty miles from the border doesn't work.
WTF? Please tell me more....
Posted on 7/14/14 at 12:03 pm to LSUfonte
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Don't know but stationing the border patrol forty miles from the border doesn't work. WTF? Please tell me more....
This is 4 days old. The White House ordered the border patrol to reposition 40 miles inland from the border to make it easier for illegals to get in.
Posted on 7/14/14 at 12:07 pm to Zach
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This is 4 days old. The White House ordered the border patrol to reposition 40 miles inland from the border to make it easier for illegals to get in.
That is not happending, trust me!
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 12:11 pm to LSUfonte
South Texas is the New Guatemala
Posted on 7/14/14 at 12:11 pm to The Third Leg
It's not impossible at all. It could be done to a relative large degree of success if it were made a priority by the goombas in DC, which they aren't going to do.
Posted on 7/14/14 at 1:49 pm to kingbob
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ou will see them living in Section 8 housing,
Link?
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They often manage to even get SNAP benefits and Welfare with phony SSI cards
Link?
Some households containing an illegal immigrant receive SNAP and/or Welfare benefits but it's usually due to the presence of a citizen child who is eligible.
Furthermore a Cato study shows immigration is more related to the presence of jobs not welfare:
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Prior to mid-2006, TANF benefit levels fell while unauthorized immigration rose. During the housing construction boom, unauthorized immigrants were attracted by jobs and not declining TANF benefits. After mid-2006, when housing starts began falling dramatically, real TANF benefit levels and unauthorized immigration both fell at the same time. If unauthorized immigration was primarily incentivized by the real value of welfare benefits, it would have fallen continuously since 2003.
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get driver's licenses, and vote in elections
Link?
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while not paying property, income, or payroll taxes.
Well documented in numerous threads that this isn't the case but here:
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In the public debates over federal immigration reform, much has been made of the argument that undocumented immigrants would be a drain on federal, state and local government resources if granted legal status under reform. But it is also true that the 11.2 million undocumented immigrants living in the United States are already taxpayers, and that their local, state and federal tax contributions would increase under reform.
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The problem with this debate is that many like you are completely uninformed.
Posted on 7/14/14 at 2:47 pm to Zach
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So Rick Perry is lying?
Not only Rick Perry but several Sheriffs from counties along the Texas and Arizona borders have reported this.
Who are you going to believe, the folks on the border or the man on the golf course. Obama said the border is secure.
Posted on 7/14/14 at 2:49 pm to Zach
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So Rick Perry is lying?
Well, he did liken gayness to drunkenness
Posted on 7/14/14 at 2:49 pm to Kirk Herbstreit
I'm not against immigration...I like it. I hate that allowing immigrants to come here is no longer in our best interest thanks to the growing welfare state.
With that said,
It is impossible. Just imagine the logistics...there is no need to explain.
With that said,
It is impossible. Just imagine the logistics...there is no need to explain.
Posted on 7/14/14 at 3:00 pm to DelU249
Per Cato:
LINK
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However, worries that new immigrants will increase the size of our bloated welfare state and further decrease America’s economic freedom shouldn’t be among them.
In a new paper from the Cato Institute, we show that, historically, immigrants and their descendants have not increased the size of individual welfare benefits or welfare budgets and are unlikely to do so going forward. The amount of welfare benefits is unaffected by the foreign origin or diversity of the population.
Since 1970, no pattern can be seen between the size of benefits a family of three gets under welfare programs like Temporary Aid for Needy Families (TANF) and the level of immigration or ethnic and racial diversity.
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There is no relationship between the relative size of the immigrant population, diversity and the amount of economic freedom in the United States. The percent of the national population that is immigrant, Hispanic, Asian or any combination is also not associated with more or fewer burdensome government regulations and higher or lower tax rates.
Demographics do not determine a country’s degree of economic freedom. But a country’s attractiveness for immigrants tends to be correlated with free markets, which bring greater economic prosperity.
The success of states like Texas and the decline of those like California cannot be explained by immigration or immigrant-driven increases in diversity. Political institutions, like those in Texas, that constrain the growth of government compared to those that drive it, such as in California, better explain their different levels of welfare spending and relative economic freedom than demographics.
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