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re: How hard is it to actually secure the border?

Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:40 am to
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:40 am to
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:41 am to
Impossible. Policing an area that size is too expensive and would require too much manpower.

The proper course of action is to make it unfavorable to come here.

- Harsher penalties for hiring those without documentation.
- Banning non-citizens or those without legal documentation from using any public services.
- Requiring legal documentation from the parents before a child born on USA soil is considered a citizen.

Those are just a few ideas to start.

It isn't a matter of keeping them from entering, it is a matter of removing the incentive.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:43 am to
Why have a border if you cannot keep it.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:46 am to
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harsh prison sentences for people who knowingly hire illegals - and cooperative deals with the people they exploit for their testimony. 




Of course, since there is a business involved, let's only go after them. You break the law as a business, you get fricked. Break the law in the same transaction, but you're a 'helpless, exploited, innocent' illegal? Here's a sweet deal if you help us frick the American.

Both parties should be bent over.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
35183 posts
Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:46 am to
Don't forget the Islamists, Scruff. They've found Q'rans in backpacks down there. Not that they will act until they have their nukes/ducks in a row.

Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72426 posts
Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:48 am to
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Both parties should be bent over.
This. The business and the illegal immigrant should be equally punished.

You have to remove the incentive.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:48 am to
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Impossible. Policing an area that size is too expensive and would require too much manpower.


Do you suppose the only legal means we have to prevent home burglaries is to post arm sentries at the doors of every inhabited dwelling in the country?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72426 posts
Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:50 am to
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Do you suppose the only legal means we have to prevent home burglaries is to post arm sentries at the doors of every inhabited dwelling in the country?
Of course not. I already explained how to address the border issue in the rest of that post.

As for home invasions, homeowners should shoot to kill, along with harsh penalties for those who survive.
This post was edited on 7/14/14 at 11:52 am
Posted by LSUfonte
South Texas
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:57 am to
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Don't know but stationing the border patrol forty miles from the border doesn't work.


WTF? Please tell me more....
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 11:59 am to
Armed drones.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 12:03 pm to
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Don't know but stationing the border patrol forty miles from the border doesn't work. WTF? Please tell me more....


This is 4 days old. The White House ordered the border patrol to reposition 40 miles inland from the border to make it easier for illegals to get in.
Posted by LSUfonte
South Texas
Member since Jan 2004
7507 posts
Posted on 7/14/14 at 12:07 pm to
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This is 4 days old. The White House ordered the border patrol to reposition 40 miles inland from the border to make it easier for illegals to get in.


That is not happending, trust me!
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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112808 posts
Posted on 7/14/14 at 12:09 pm to
So Rick Perry is lying?
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64844 posts
Posted on 7/14/14 at 12:11 pm to
South Texas is the New Guatemala
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 7/14/14 at 12:11 pm to
It's not impossible at all. It could be done to a relative large degree of success if it were made a priority by the goombas in DC, which they aren't going to do.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54754 posts
Posted on 7/14/14 at 1:49 pm to
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ou will see them living in Section 8 housing,


Link?

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They often manage to even get SNAP benefits and Welfare with phony SSI cards


Link?

Some households containing an illegal immigrant receive SNAP and/or Welfare benefits but it's usually due to the presence of a citizen child who is eligible.

Furthermore a Cato study shows immigration is more related to the presence of jobs not welfare:

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Prior to mid-2006, TANF benefit levels fell while unauthorized immigration rose. During the housing construction boom, unauthorized immigrants were attracted by jobs and not declining TANF benefits. After mid-2006, when housing starts began falling dramatically, real TANF benefit levels and unauthorized immigration both fell at the same time. If unauthorized immigration was primarily incentivized by the real value of welfare benefits, it would have fallen continuously since 2003.


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get driver's licenses, and vote in elections


Link?

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while not paying property, income, or payroll taxes.


Well documented in numerous threads that this isn't the case but here:

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In the public debates over federal immigration reform, much has been made of the argument that undocumented immigrants would be a drain on federal, state and local government resources if granted legal status under reform. But it is also true that the 11.2 million undocumented immigrants living in the United States are already taxpayers, and that their local, state and federal tax contributions would increase under reform.


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The problem with this debate is that many like you are completely uninformed.
Posted by roygu
Member since Jan 2004
11718 posts
Posted on 7/14/14 at 2:47 pm to
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So Rick Perry is lying?


Not only Rick Perry but several Sheriffs from counties along the Texas and Arizona borders have reported this.

Who are you going to believe, the folks on the border or the man on the golf course. Obama said the border is secure.
Posted by The Third Leg
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Member since May 2014
10079 posts
Posted on 7/14/14 at 2:49 pm to
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So Rick Perry is lying?

Well, he did liken gayness to drunkenness
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 7/14/14 at 2:49 pm to
I'm not against immigration...I like it. I hate that allowing immigrants to come here is no longer in our best interest thanks to the growing welfare state.

With that said,

It is impossible. Just imagine the logistics...there is no need to explain.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54754 posts
Posted on 7/14/14 at 3:00 pm to
Per Cato:

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However, worries that new immigrants will increase the size of our bloated welfare state and further decrease America’s economic freedom shouldn’t be among them.

In a new paper from the Cato Institute, we show that, historically, immigrants and their descendants have not increased the size of individual welfare benefits or welfare budgets and are unlikely to do so going forward. The amount of welfare benefits is unaffected by the foreign origin or diversity of the population.

Since 1970, no pattern can be seen between the size of benefits a family of three gets under welfare programs like Temporary Aid for Needy Families (TANF) and the level of immigration or ethnic and racial diversity.


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There is no relationship between the relative size of the immigrant population, diversity and the amount of economic freedom in the United States. The percent of the national population that is immigrant, Hispanic, Asian or any combination is also not associated with more or fewer burdensome government regulations and higher or lower tax rates.

Demographics do not determine a country’s degree of economic freedom. But a country’s attractiveness for immigrants tends to be correlated with free markets, which bring greater economic prosperity.

The success of states like Texas and the decline of those like California cannot be explained by immigration or immigrant-driven increases in diversity. Political institutions, like those in Texas, that constrain the growth of government compared to those that drive it, such as in California, better explain their different levels of welfare spending and relative economic freedom than demographics.


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