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re: Colorado offered free birth control — and teen births fell by 40 percent
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Yes it is realistic.
yeah because that's realistic.
quote:Hyperbole is your strong suit.
this is just another example of the myopic idea that all services for the poor should be privately funded. Well what happens when demand outstrips supply? I guess just let people starve on the street? fricking ridiculous
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:08 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Seriously, I don't see the problem with this. I am sick and tired of the low expectations Liberals have when it comes to poor people, thinking they literally need all services for free.
The data suggests that the personal accountability push is not working and never will. The only way out is to ensure that the poors stop breeding or let them die in the streets after they socially disrupt all of us.
You pick.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:09 pm to La Place Mike
quote:
Yes it is realistic.
No, it isn't.
as we've seen, without any public support, services are cut and the people who suffer the consequences as society's most vulnerable and marginalized.
And you wonder why people say the right hates the poor
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:11 pm to The Third Leg
quote:Can you link to the data? I would like to read it.
The data suggests that the personal accountability push is not working and never will.
I know when Clinton was forced to reform welfare a lot of people went to work and no one starved in the street.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:12 pm to La Place Mike
quote:
a lot of people went to work and no one starved in the street.
there are fewer available jobs today, especially so when you subtract the jobs that don't provide a living wage
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:12 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:This doesn't make much sense. If anything, government services almost always severely misjudge demand to the point where there are massive shortages and waiting lists. Have you seen the waiting list for public housing? Have you ever been to a VA facility?
this is just another example of the myopic idea that all services for the poor should be privately funded. Well what happens when demand outstrips supply? I guess just let people starve on the street? fricking ridiculous.
It is not ridiculous to think private funding is sufficient. What is ridiculous is you thinking a coercive entity is necessary to help poor people.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:16 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Yes it is.
No, it isn't.
quote:Where have we seen this?
as we've seen, without any public support, services are cut and the people who suffer the consequences as society's most vulnerable and marginalized.
quote:The right hates the poor because they feel that the poor should be taken care of by private donations? The same right that donates more to charity than the left who claims to care more about the poor? That makes no sense, but then you are who you are.
And you wonder why people say the right hates the poor
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
It is not ridiculous to think private funding is sufficient
considering that it simply is a factually inaccurate statement yes, it is ridiculous.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:I support phasing out all welfare programs and instead giving every person below the poverty line a 3500/month basic income
there are fewer available jobs today, especially so when you subtract the jobs that don't provide a living wage
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Thanks Obama.
there are fewer available jobs today, especially so when you subtract the jobs that don't provide a living wage
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:17 pm to La Place Mike
quote:
The same right that donates more to charity than the left who claims to care more about the poor?
alright I'm done here, now you're just making shite up
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:18 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Based on what?
considering that it simply is a factually inaccurate statement yes, it is ridiculous.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:18 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:How is it factually inaccurate?
considering that it simply is a factually inaccurate statement yes, it is ridiculous.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:18 pm to Stuckinthe90s
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I honestly would 100% be in favor of using my tax dollars to pay for free birth control if it meant abortion would be outlawed and made a felony manslaughter.
How would others feel?
I'll go one step further. I'll support tax dollars paying for 100% of the healthcare and adoption costs for children born to mothers that dont want them.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Would you like a link?
alright I'm done here, now you're just making shite up
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:19 pm to La Place Mike
quote:
The same right that donates more to charity than the left who claims to care more about the poor?
Throwing some money in the church offering plate so your preacher can drive a nice new vehicle isn't really helping the poor.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:21 pm to The Spleen
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Throwing some money in the church offering plate so your preacher can drive a nice new vehicle isn't really helping the poor.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:25 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
as we've seen, without any public support, services are cut and the people who suffer the consequences as society's most vulnerable and marginalized.
Darwinism will take care of them. If they truly want to succeed, they will rise above the level they have fallen to. If not, then they will die. It all works out in the end.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:25 pm to The Spleen
quote:and you making assumptions really doesn't help this thread.
Throwing some money in the church offering plate so your preacher can drive a nice new vehicle isn't really helping the poor.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Maybe they are also seeing a decline in private donations? Around 75% of PP is funded by private funds. In a sluggish economy like this, a lot of households just don't have the funds to donate
Actually the problem is that they offered low cost birth control for the average woman (not necessarily poor), since obamacare covers birth control this stream of revenue is drying up.
But the funding cuts by states hurt. What would happen if you had a 25% paycut? Would you have to cut some meat? Maybe even a bit of bone.
The bigger issue is an increase in costs associated with state regulations. Things like they must have drains in every room, or hallways must be so wide, or they have to have a specialty surgeon on call at all times are what is really dinging them. That stuff is expensive, and for clinics that don't do surgical abortions but are expected to comply, its just ridiculous. And is proof of the "war on woman"
I am not a fan of that meme, but when state regulators are making decisions to limit access to reproductive services, I don't really how you can call it anything else.
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