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Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:46 pm to LSUSmn2018
I had him and his exams were just awful. The exams were based on everything but the study materials, and he would not make adjustments for the errors, even though, he said he recognized the errors existed. Therefore, a high percentage of students ended that class with a 'C' I had to work extremely hard to end with a 'B'. Not sure, but James may be a better choice.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:10 am to LSUnFL
I am not a double-up kinda guy; have been going slow and steady one class at a time. That said, doubling up on ISDS 705 seems to be a strong recurring theme.
I'm thinking about doing 702-Koksal/705-Lin together. One @GeauxUF comment worries me and gives me hope at the same time.
I'm in ECON750 now, so perhaps getting the hard stuff out of the way first will make ISDS 702 seem like a cakewalk if I take it when ECON is still fresh in my skull. In that case pairing it with 705 is a no-brainer.
However, I must be a freakin' rock because Shaughnessy is the consensus gold-standard and I'm struggling hard. I just don't seem to be getting it... so do I really want to choose a similar class (702) to be the one I double up on? Perhaps I was just spoiled in earlier classes and got used to light work-loads and am not devoting proper time to ECON. Previous classes were:
HCAD-750 Gherfal - A
MADM-701 Kungu - A
ACCT-701 Ambrosio - A
ECON-750 Shaughnessy - Sitting at a "C" after two weeks.
I'm thinking about doing 702-Koksal/705-Lin together. One @GeauxUF comment worries me and gives me hope at the same time.
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the content should be a prerequisite for ECON 750, and the workload is very manageable.
I'm in ECON750 now, so perhaps getting the hard stuff out of the way first will make ISDS 702 seem like a cakewalk if I take it when ECON is still fresh in my skull. In that case pairing it with 705 is a no-brainer.
However, I must be a freakin' rock because Shaughnessy is the consensus gold-standard and I'm struggling hard. I just don't seem to be getting it... so do I really want to choose a similar class (702) to be the one I double up on? Perhaps I was just spoiled in earlier classes and got used to light work-loads and am not devoting proper time to ECON. Previous classes were:
HCAD-750 Gherfal - A
MADM-701 Kungu - A
ACCT-701 Ambrosio - A
ECON-750 Shaughnessy - Sitting at a "C" after two weeks.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 1:12 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 6:47 am to NSAtoMBA
So MADM 760
Heller
Meeks
McLaughlin?
The forum consensus?
Heller
Meeks
McLaughlin?
The forum consensus?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 7:24 am to NSAtoMBA
NSA,
That sounds like a good plan. I didn't know earlier, but it seems ISDS 702 is a good preliminary course for more than just ECON 705.
No one said Shaughnessy was EASY. I said he is the gold standard for professors, but it's Econ. The only person I know that loves Econ is Shaughnessy, and it's clear that he REALLY LOVES IT.
That passion for the subject shines through and drives his passion to help others love it, or at least learn it. The class is NOT easy, I struggled pretty hard and put in countless hours every night in order to barely earn my A. My strategy was going over the three assignments and assessments over and over again until I was absolutely sure my answers were 100% correct. By getting mostly 100's on the "easier" stuff, I was able to squeak past the end of week assessments.
It was my first course, and fortunately, I paired with ISDS 705, so I actually devoted full time to Econ. No joke, I spent as much time on Econ as I did with MKT 701 (Darrat), just in a different format, obviously.
He's the gold standard. Highly responsive, cares about student success, LOVES the actual subject matter, lecture videos, supplemental videos, weekly zooms, reasonable (albeit difficult for most people) workload, and will do just about everything he can to help you learn, short of giving you the answer. That doesn't mean easy, but you probably won't be left feeling cheated by a worthless or unreasonably/unnecessarily heavy class.
That sounds like a good plan. I didn't know earlier, but it seems ISDS 702 is a good preliminary course for more than just ECON 705.
No one said Shaughnessy was EASY. I said he is the gold standard for professors, but it's Econ. The only person I know that loves Econ is Shaughnessy, and it's clear that he REALLY LOVES IT.
That passion for the subject shines through and drives his passion to help others love it, or at least learn it. The class is NOT easy, I struggled pretty hard and put in countless hours every night in order to barely earn my A. My strategy was going over the three assignments and assessments over and over again until I was absolutely sure my answers were 100% correct. By getting mostly 100's on the "easier" stuff, I was able to squeak past the end of week assessments.
It was my first course, and fortunately, I paired with ISDS 705, so I actually devoted full time to Econ. No joke, I spent as much time on Econ as I did with MKT 701 (Darrat), just in a different format, obviously.
He's the gold standard. Highly responsive, cares about student success, LOVES the actual subject matter, lecture videos, supplemental videos, weekly zooms, reasonable (albeit difficult for most people) workload, and will do just about everything he can to help you learn, short of giving you the answer. That doesn't mean easy, but you probably won't be left feeling cheated by a worthless or unreasonably/unnecessarily heavy class.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 7:36 am to SATNIGHTS
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The forum consensus?
The consensus is that there is no consensus. There are people who highly recommend each one. Heller is supposed to be pretty good, no group work. Meeks is regularly touted as "the very best professor in the program". Seriously, he's said to be the best even more often than Shaughnessy, which really piqued my interest. Unfortunately, it didn't work out for my schedule. Of course, there are also a number of complaints about the group work in his class, so you need to take the good with a potential bad.
I am currently in McLaughlin, and while it's certainly not a walk in the park, the workload is nicely balanced throughout the program. No large paper or group work. Weekly 3 paragraph paper, weekly quiz on 1-2 chapters at a time, one discussion post by Tuesday (which isn't much time) and an additional 2 response posts made on different days. There is no guidance in regards to word count on any assignment, so you do run the risk of losing points for answers that are too brief, or wasting extra time on more work than you needed to do. You'll never know what's "enough" until you lose points.
No forum, video lectures, supplemental videos, zoom, etc. and grading is pretty slow. She says they will try to get your grade back before the next assignment is due, but it hasn't happened for me so far, so you're in the dark for week 2 at least.
That isn't a knock, it's not a bad class. Do the work and get the grade, just don't expect much interaction. The weekly paper requires you to tie it intimately together with course topic from the current week. This is actually also very helpful to prep you for that topic on the weekly quiz.
Essentially, MADM 760 is the polar opposite of MKT 701 when it comes to instructors. You can't go too wrong with any instructor for MADM, and you can't go too right with any for MKT 701.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 8:56 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 8:20 am to baroqen
Thanks
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 8:20 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:07 am to SATNIGHTS
quote:
So MADM 760
Heller
Meeks
McLaughlin?
The forum consensus?
Not able to comment on past experience.
After much research, here and on rate my professor, I'm going with Heller in AP2. :)
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:31 am to NSAtoMBA
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However, I must be a freakin' rock because Shaughnessy is the consensus gold-standard and I'm struggling hard. I just don't seem to be getting it... so do I really want to choose a similar class (702) to be the one I double up on? Perhaps I was just spoiled in earlier classes and got used to light work-loads and am not devoting proper time to ECON.
The reason I say ISDS 702 with Koksal should be a prerequisite to ECON 750 is that Koksal breaks down concepts like linear equations and regression analysis in a way that makes it very easy for someone with very little exposure to statistics (and even advanced math) to understand the concepts. ISDS 702 concepts pop up in other places - quantifying risk as a component of firm valuation by measuring standard deviation across a normalized historical price distribution in FIN 701, for example.
ECON 750 takes the tact of assuming you know all of this stuff already before starting. ECON 750 is so compressed with complex economic market concepts that there is just not enough time to also teach you the statistics behind it. The assumption is that you understand that in an equation like 12x^2+5x+4y+3 that the 12 means something specific and changing that number changes what the graph would look like, and where the numbers 12, 5, 4, and 3 came from. ECON 750 quite literally throws you into the fire (in this case, statistical regression analysis and predictive modeling) without much context of what it is.
ISDS 702 is solely about statistics, and you learn exactly what this stuff means conceptually from the ground up. The workload is maybe half of what you experience in ECON 750, especially with no prior statistics knowledge.
To use a metaphor, ISDS 702 teaches you how an airplane is built. ECON 750 pushes you off a cliff and expects you to either have an airplane already or be prepared to build one midair before smashing into the ground.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 10:41 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:34 am to UtahBayouBelle
See you there Bayou Belle
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:55 am to SATNIGHTS
quote:
See you there Bayou Belle
So, who all is heeding to GeauxUF's advice and taking ISDS 702 with Koskal? I'm there :)
Posted on 11/6/18 at 11:15 am to UtahBayouBelle
The last 2 courses I need to graduate (Mkt 701 & ECON 705) are already full!! I've always been able to register for courses with no problem. Should I panic or do you guys think they'll open more seats?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 11:22 am to UtahBayouBelle
quote:
So, who all is heeding to GeauxUF's advice and taking ISDS 702 with Koskal? I'm there :)
Learn from my (and many others') lack of guidance here! I took ECON 750 with White as my first course, had no experience in this stuff, and ground out an A after watching every math YouTube video I could get my hands on. Then I took ISDS 702 and spent the whole course wishing I knew this stuff before taking ECON.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 11:25 am to sejaxon
quote:
The last 2 courses I need to graduate (Mkt 701 & ECON 705) are already full!! I've always been able to register for courses with no problem. Should I panic or do you guys think they'll open more seats?
Seats will free up. They may open more seats, or add a new course with a different instructor. People will drop the class. Just keep checking every day, even after courses start through the add/drop period if it gets to that point.
Are you doubling those two classes up? That would be...very brave.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 11:30 am to GeauxUF
I am like this close to doing my own Zoom session to help people out in ISDS 710.
I feel really bad for the participants in this class because it is a free for all with Darrat doing very little to help out.
I just don't want to get smacked with the Student Code of Conduct banhammer 5 weeks from being done.
I feel really bad for the participants in this class because it is a free for all with Darrat doing very little to help out.
I just don't want to get smacked with the Student Code of Conduct banhammer 5 weeks from being done.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:46 pm to GeauxUF
Yeah it is getting a bit ridiculous in ISDS 710. There are so many questions that weren't addressed in the syllabus. My background is in application development and most "programming" courses are self taught to an extent due to the nature of the content. Practicing in an IDE (RStudio for us) is the best way to test code. You're not going to get it on the first try. It is all logic and flow. However, for someone who is not used to that and has a different background as most of the people in the course do, Darrat should have started the class with a weekly zoom session or a pre-recorded lecture showing how it is being done.
There are a lot of additional resources that help, but we are in a class with a designated professor for a reason. We should be taught the concepts before applying them in practice. It is hard to grasp the syntax on a language if you dont know what the "words" mean. Its like attempting to speak proper English without knowing what vers, adj, modifiers, etc. are. You can't apply it if you don't know the meaning of the basics. With this being the first time most of the class has been exposed to code, it is not exactly beginner friendly.
Another reason I think there is a lot of confusion is because the text book does NOT match the datacamp exercises. We are assigned a chapter in the book on one thing and practice another. Both aids have different approaches to learning are, which is confusing in a class were everything should be synced.
I guess we will see how this session goes *cue sad violin music*
There are a lot of additional resources that help, but we are in a class with a designated professor for a reason. We should be taught the concepts before applying them in practice. It is hard to grasp the syntax on a language if you dont know what the "words" mean. Its like attempting to speak proper English without knowing what vers, adj, modifiers, etc. are. You can't apply it if you don't know the meaning of the basics. With this being the first time most of the class has been exposed to code, it is not exactly beginner friendly.
Another reason I think there is a lot of confusion is because the text book does NOT match the datacamp exercises. We are assigned a chapter in the book on one thing and practice another. Both aids have different approaches to learning are, which is confusing in a class were everything should be synced.
I guess we will see how this session goes *cue sad violin music*
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:54 pm to UtahBayouBelle
quote:
So, who all is heeding to GeauxUF's advice and taking ISDS 702 with Koskal? I'm there :)
UtahBayouBelle,
I am registered for that class (ISDS 702 with Koksal) and ISDS 705 with Lin for AP1. See you there!
I have FIN 701 with Choi for AP2.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:33 pm to GeauxUF
Definitely not doubling up those two courses. I saved them for last on purpose.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:02 pm to sejaxon
Just joined BGS and opted in for the induction ceremony on the 16th. For those of you graduating this term, see you in Shreveport on the 16th!
The last 5 weeks of this term are dragging butt! I'm trying to keep my care-o-meter off DILLIGAF but its hard.
The last 5 weeks of this term are dragging butt! I'm trying to keep my care-o-meter off DILLIGAF but its hard.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 2:44 pm to sejaxon
quote:
Definitely not doubling up those two courses. I saved them for last on purpose.
Smart. The end is in sight!
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