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re: Would you support criminalizing homelessness?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:22 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:22 am to Darth_Vader
quote:i was referring to substances being used or ingested in your own home. all types of food, drink, and drugs should be legal. the fed gov really has no business telling americans they can't possess certain drugs and cheeses.
I thought it was not the government's business to tell us what is and is not safe.
quote:that's what they all say.
Look I'm a small government conservative,
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Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:22 am to Armymann50
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57 states
Since when?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:29 am to PhiTiger1764
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nd you probably wouldn't be ok with them scoring a 12 pack of beer either. But which would you be more ok with?
That's a great foundation for a legal system. Which laws are you "more ok with"?
I'm more ok with punching someone who cuts me in line than i am stabbing him, so punching people should be legal, but stabbing not so much.
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heroin is not on the same level as alcohol, cigarettes, and weed.
Why not. There are worse drugs out there. I'm more ok with her doing heroine than Russian Desomorphine aka Krokodil.
Freedom is not a joke. Nor is it an unobtainable ideal. Something which in no way effects the rights of other i.e. drug use should not be a regulated arm of the government intruding into your life.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 10:31 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:33 am to Darth_Vader
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Traffic laws? I thought it was not the government's business to tell us what is and is not safe.
On a personal private level? No it is not. A person can whatever he wants to himself in his own home on his own property.
Traffic laws are there to protect people in the public realm. Disobeying them can have serious and immediate negative consequences on others rights. If you dont like it, stay on private streets.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 10:33 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:35 am to Breesus
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I'm more ok with punching someone who cuts me in line than i am stabbing him, so punching people should be legal, but stabbing not so much.
Dude what the frick are you talking about? Both of these things are illegal just as both underage drinking and shooting heroin are illegal.
Would you rather your kid punch someone or stab them? Would you rather your kid drink a few beers or shoot heroin? These are simple questions.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:36 am to PhiTiger1764
Beer, obviously. But that doesn't mean heroin should be illegal.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:40 am to PhiTiger1764
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Dude what the frick are you talking about? Both of these things are illegal just as both underage drinking and shooting heroin are illegal.
At one point drinking was illegal no matter your age. Now it isnt. We will most likely say the same thing about drugs one day.
And what im talking about is you said its ok for alcohol to be illegal because you are more ok with your daughter drinking that shooting heroin. No other reason. It just isnt as bad.
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Would you rather your kid punch someone or stab them? Would you rather your kid drink a few beers or shoot heroin? These are simple questions.
Would i rather my kid stab someone in the foot or shoot them in the head? Would i rather my kid shoot heroin or krokodil?
These are simple questions.
Simply saying that beer is currently legal and thus should remain so and it is better than heroine so no big deal anyway does nothing to support your argument. Unless the only logic in your argument is as long as there is something worse than everything underneath it is ok.
And as for "more ok with" I dont want my 14 year old child doing any drugs of any kind. Be they beer or heroine.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 10:44 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:41 am to Breesus
No.
Not at all.
More government/taxes is not something I can support.
Not at all.
More government/taxes is not something I can support.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:45 am to Breesus
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Simply saying that beer is currently legal and this should remain so and it is better than heroine so no big deal anyway does nothing to support your argument. Unless the only logic in your argument is as long as there is something worse than everything underneath it is ok.
Heroin is worse than and more dangerous than beer man. We seem to have a fundamental disagreement here. I don't know what else to say.
ETA: It's not about private use in one's home. It's about the potential for users to bring it out in public and infringe on others. That's all I've got.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 10:51 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:45 am to Breesus
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On a personal private level? No it is not. A person can whatever he wants to himself in his own home on his own property.
Traffic laws are there to protect people in the public realm. Disobeying them can have serious and immediate negative consequences on others rights. If you dont like it, stay on private streets.
So if that's true then what of the negative consequences of hardcore drug abuse on the public? Lets say that in your neighborhood you discover that the neighbor to your right is operating a meth lab while the neighbor on your left is operating a crack house. You going to be OK with that? It's their property after all. Or will you want the government to come in and save your neighborhood?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 10:51 am to Darth_Vader
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So if that's true then what of the negative consequences of hardcore drug abuse on the public?
A man shooting heroine in his house has no immediate negative impacts.
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Lets say that in your neighborhood you discover that the neighbor to your right is operating a meth lab while the neighbor on your left is operating a crack house. You going to be OK with that?
No. I'd move. Of course i'd never live in a neighborhood like that to begin with. And these things happen everyday in current america. In my society, they are free to go ahead and do so. No need for weapons or violence or cartles. He could put a sign out front that says "meth for sale".
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It's their property after all.
Correct. Assuming it is and its not a rental or government owned.
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Or will you want the government to come in and save your neighborhood?
I cant think of one example in history where the government successfully "saved a neighborhood" from anything even with the laws we have today.
This post was edited on 6/17/14 at 11:01 am
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:00 am to Breesus
No, because most of the behaviors that cause homelessness are already illegal (namely drug use). Most of the behaviors of homeless people that most citizens abhor are also already illegal in most cases. It would be cruel and redundant.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:15 am to Breesus
I support criminalizing stupidity and nominate you for the first to be prosecuted.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:23 am to ELVIS U
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I support criminalizing stupidity and nominate you for the first to be prosecuted.
What's the penalty?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:24 am to PhiTiger1764
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: It's not about private use in one's home. It's about the potential for users to bring it out in public and infringe on others.
Then the bringing it out in public and infringing on others should be illegal. Not the drug.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:25 am to Breesus
While I don't think they should be arrested, I am a HUGE fan of cops doing something about the fricking panhandling going on. You don't have to cuff the guy but just tell him to move the frick along.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:27 am to PhiTiger1764
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It's not about private use in one's home. It's about the potential for users to bring it out in public and infringe on others. That's all I've got.
Do you know how many things fall under this category? That is a dangerous slippery road to go down.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:28 am to JumpingTheShark
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I am a HUGE fan of cops doing something about the fricking panhandling going on.
under what authority?
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You don't have to cuff the guy but just tell him to move the frick along.
To a different intersection? What does this solve?
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:30 am to Breesus
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under what authority?
Under the authority that my taxes pay cops' fricking salaries and they should do what the people want, and nobody likes begging homeless. Not to mention they are just sitting by the front door of a 7-11 loitering and begging, which 7-11 seems to not give a flying shite about, regardless of the no loitering signs.
Posted on 6/17/14 at 11:34 am to kingbob
That's what I say. Breesus mentions a bunch of bad things that homeless people do, but those things are already illegal. What's so illegal about being in a rough spot in life, and not having any friends or family to give you a lift?
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